Yuyutsu,

Perhaps not a thousand years, more like one, tops.

Economies like Australia and the US have junked their self-sufficiency in exchange for cheap Chinese goods. In the process we have wound down our workforce with those particular skills in automobile manufacture, clothing, building materials, etc. We have become beholden to China and to its supply chains.

Like every other country, China will want to get back to work ASAP. Like other countries, Australia will want to be plugged into 'reliable' supply chains ASAP. And that will certainly include China.

No, I don't like the idea of being so dependent on a totalitarian government, economically and politically. I'm very suspicious of the Belt and Road Initiative, especially in relation to the south Pacific. Well, to South-East Asia as well. And to Africa. I've written many times on OLO about China's aggressions in the South China Sea (there should be a more appropriate name for it: South-East Asian Sea ?) and about the ridiculous and quite imperialist claims that China makes against the sovereignty of south-East Asian countries.

But economic realities will force us, and much of the world's economies, into the arms of China again. It's not easy to whip up alternative suppliers and markets, so we're stuck with that situation for some time yet.

Joe

Loudmouth 2 said;
China makes against the sovereignty of south-East Asian countries.

Pres Xi Jingping himself said that the US and presumably Australia are
not sovereign states. We are after all is said and done vassal states.

Bazz,

The full quote really was:

" ... the ridiculous and quite imperialist claims that China makes against the sovereignty of south-East Asian countries."

If they stick up for themselves, and work closely together, they will be able to defend their sovereignty, I have no doubt. As we can too. I don't think it's time yet to throw in the towel :)

The Chinese, and the Mongols too before them, have tried a few times to invade Vietnam, for example: they have had their arses kicked each time. The great Uighur admiral Cheng Ho gave Vietnam a wide berth. They have never got as far militarily as Malaya or Thailand, or even the Philippines yet. So throwing ourselves on our backs and begging for mercy is a bit premature :)

Joe

LOUDmouth,

You are incorrect because they did get further south than the Malay peninsula.

They got as far as Java in 1271 and attempted to subdue it but after a few battles were forced out by a confederation of several Javanese states.

Misopinionated,

Incorrect - how ? They got their arses kicked even by the Javanese in about 1293-1295. And of course, it wasn't the Chinese but the Mongols by then.

Strictly speaking, the Chinese have ruled China for barely half of the last millenium: the Mongols and Manchus (also Mongols) for almost as long. A bit like calling various Indian imperial governments British. Or vice versa.

In reality, for example, the Chinese ruled Taiwan only in the years immediately after the Second World War, from 1945 until 1949.

You really are an idiot. Keep posting and prove it.

Joe

LOUDmouth,

Here is a snippet from Wikipedia on the Yuan Dynasty established by Kublai Khan in 1271:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuan_dynasty

The Yuan Dynasty is chronicled as a Chinese dynasty.

I erred in putting the invasion at 1271 which is actually the year Kublai Khan established the Yuan Dynasty. As you stated the invasion was later.

I think we can say with correctness that the armies of the Yuan Dynasty sent to Java would have been Chinese, especially the naval fleets that carried the armies of the Chinese Emperor.

I must admit that you have a good knowledge of things you do not have any credentials in. It's too bad you could never qualify to get into an Arts program because I think you would have made a very good Arts graduate. Not as good as me of course, I mean you can only push your luck so far.