Until there is an effective vaccine or antiviral? The only course for industry and enterprise is to be able to operate inside covid free and absolutely quarantined bubbles!

And assisted by mandatory travel restrictions plus, a two week period of equally mandatory self-isolation. A good example would be the Kiwi warriors team and their complete transfer and training inside a locked-down bubble. And could be extended indefinitely, as in raw recruit military training examples of old?

Such examples could apply to mining and associated mining camps and travel could be enhanced b electronically locked gates on various bridges, with unlock codes only the approved could have legal access to and monitored by mandatory dashcam and covert security cameras!?

The drug barons would be hard-pressed during such tight "border" security, to continue to trade as they seem to now, with such impunity?

Factories could spring up almost anywhere there was space. power and water and access that could be rigidly controlled? (Drive around that numskull) And the entire workforce and management living onsite inside a completely quarantined bubble and electronically locked and unlocked, bridges!

Such production would be better enabled as cooperative enterprise co-ops. And market all their production and value add enterprise via the world wide net as a direct marketing, A.I. assisted, strategy!

Assisted immensely via a return of privatise power, back to the people as a not for profit paradigm and done with the stroke of a minister's pen and the requisite testicular fortitude! And the removal immediately of our self imposed and an insane embargo on for peaceful purpose, nuclear power, i.e. SMR, MSR thorium and nuclear waste burners! All explained in repetitious detail in earlier posts!

It will not be welcomed by the robber baron brigade! But who in their right mind is going to give a flying french frankfurt for their total self-interest and criminal profits, concerns?

Be they commission earning land barons, water barons Gormlous greens, the anti-development, anti-nuclear brigade, or the usual medley of rogue employers?

TAKE CARE AND STAY SAFE!
Alan B.

Ah the enemy reveals himself! Extinction Rebellion formulated their plan to destroy the West. Shut down industry, destroy the economy and enslave us. Now this virus nonsense is the perfect cover and off we go. I will believe there is an emergency when Senior Public Servants and Politicians have pay cuts! This will never happen, things can never ever be so dire.
I am waiting for this to occur to our stupid idiot pollies. China and Russia will go full tilt with their industry but the lack of any Western business will ruin them too. Then it will all stop.

Stop the nonsense Prime Minister Morrison.
Drop all the restrictions immediately all at once.
There is no Covid-19 mass death pandemic.
The following link evidence is dated a few weeks but nevertheless is correct, unless you PM Morrison can reply and prove otherwise.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QWllDyHaeIQ&feature=share&noapp=1

that deputy chief medical officer in Victoria demonstrated why you can't trust the left. They will go to any length in bringing in socialism including lying, changing history and in Victoria's case having a hopelessly inept justice system. Meanwhile I think as JBowyer points out thousands upon thousands of public servants don't miss out one cent of their often bulging pay packets. The left lied about bushfires, global warming and droughts and now we are expected them to guide us with more fiddled data?

JF Aus

thankyou for your link. I think it could well be removed as it speaks truth and true science.

JF,

So ..... because Morrison got in quick and forced a lock-down, which proved stunningly successful, you slag him ?

Moronic.

Joe

When it comes to schools and the vulnerable older cohort of teachers?

They can be employed from their homes conducting distance learning and special video face to face, conferencing, individual remedial tutorials?

And would allow the younger less vulnerable cohort to crack on with education normal, or as much as is possible prior to an effective antiviral or vaccine.

Take care and stay safe.
Alan B.

Hi Joe

still calling the beginnings of this curse coming from a lab a conspiracy. Or have you become a little more rational lately?

Runner,

No, I'm not calling the myth of a Wuhan lab origin a conspiracy, I'd rather call it a conspiracy theory.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if it turns out that the animal origins of this virus are either in the forests of China, or more likely, in the forests and jungles of South-East Asia, perhaps Sulawesi or Malaya, where people have been hunting wild animals and exchanging them for outside goods or hundreds of years.

Pangolins from Malaysia are turning up in Chinese markets. A TV program last night showed a capybara (i.e. from western South America) in an Asian pet shop. It's a funny old world as it is - one doesn't need to invent conspiracies.

Joe

Yes Joe, there is an evil cohort within that clearly puts Mannon and the worship of same, before alleged Christian values and the master's, love thy neighbour as thyself, I am the light and the way, teaching/evocation!

And such teaching only requires of us that we do unto others as we would be done unto! That is all!

And cannot include the wholesale destruction of human life as a 20% premature kill rate! And always someones beloved Mum or Dad or Gran?

Not for nothing is the song, no, ye canna throw your Granny (your mummy's mummy) off the tram. Popular in Scotland!

Take care and stay safe.
Alan B.

I get it Joe. If Trump had said it came from the forests of China, or more likely, in the forests and jungles of South-East Asia, perhaps Sulawesi or Malaya, then it would be from a Wuhan lab. I once considered you one of the most rational people on olo. Seems like Covid 19 or TRS has really cause you to think in narratives like Foxy has always done instead of truth and facts.

Two thing Joe. The rather rapid reopening of those wet markets and the extreme displeasure at the suggestion of an independent inquiry by the Chinee, tells us two demonstrable facts?

The virus did not come from the wet market as alleged, given the very rapid reopening!

And two, the extremely aggressive bristling at the suggestion of an open independent inquiry, demonstrates as nothing else could, these folk have something to hide as they continue with their long term ambitions for ultimate, world domination?

And taken in bite-sized chunks backed by massive overt military power and power posturing, which we ignore at our ultimate peril!

I have to call it out as I see it and demonstrably so! So much so? Even blind Freddy could see it!?

Take care and stay safe.
Alan B.

loudmouth2.

How did Morrison's lockdown keep the death toll so low? Thats a fair question.
Agreed it likely kept the infection rate down, but why so few dead from so many infected?

Has anybody heard anything about a death toll curve? Did the lockdown flatten a death toll curve?

Your reference to morons would seem very fitting to whoever can not answer what kept the Australian death rate so low, to this date 95 deaths out of 6,800 cases in a population of 24.99 million.

Why not comment on the interview with Dr Erickson?

Yes, I agree morons have created a major recession not just in Australia.

Hi Runner,

YouTube took down the brief clip of that interview with Dr Erickson and his associate but now the full interview has been put up.
I think there were many complaints including one from me.
I actually lost faith in Google and YouTube over that takedown but since its been put back my faith is restored. Truth is everything.
I think it will stay. Why not?
There is a lot of corroborating similar evidence.

Dear JF Aus,

Mate, tried to watch your video but this bloke was just gilding the lily far too much.

He was extrapolating positive test numbers out to the whole population. This fails basic science. The reason people go and get a test is because they think they might be infected. This obvious bias was not acknowledged by the doctor.

He spoke of how his medical practice was impacted by fallen numbers. I think there is a rather large profit motive at play here wouldn't you think.

At least SR he is extrapolating from facts, not from some wild assumption as have the modelers advising chief medical officers have been doing.

Every bit of stuff from these chief medical officers has been wild exaggeration from the start, & is still so despite a large body of actual fact to go on now available.

Free speech is vital in a democracy.
Hitler blocked free speech.
On what justified grounds can we be stopped from discussing merit or not of qualified and experienced medical doctors speaking about Covid-19 ?
And will we be stopped from speaking about those doctors?

http://www.kqed.org/news/11814749/bakersfield-doctors-dubious-covid-19-test-conclusions-spread-like-wildfire

Hi Alan,

Of course China has something to hide, it's a totalitarian country. But what that might be may come as a surprise.

In poor countries, people have always eaten whatever they can find if they can make it palatable. What's the Chinese proverb: " If it flies, swims, or crawls .... "

And we may not realise that there is an international market for wild meats, bush-meats. We are familiar with tiger and rhino bits and pieces being sold in China, but probably anything which is exotic (like capybaras ! In China !) would get a good enough price to make the trade worthwhile. Pangolins from Malaya, bats from Sulawesi. A century ago, trepang from Australia's northern waters.

Bush-meat may have been the origins of HIV and Ebola. Lyssa and Hendra viruses use flying foxes here as hosts. The Greens may not like to admit it but all that is inevitable at the Human-Nature interface, in an unavoidably imperfect world.

Joe

Careful not to say anything about overcrowded mass produced industrial chickens and pigs confined in their own muck. Just blame wild animals,eh.

Dear Hasbeen,

You charge; "At least SR he is extrapolating from facts, not from some wild assumption as have the modelers advising chief medical officers have been doing."

Nope. He is engaged in wild assumptions about the infection levels in the community purely from the tested numbers. A reporter seems to attempt to pull him up but he looks bemused but doesn't address the question.

Erickson is an emergency medicine doctor. He is not a modeler not an epidemiologist nor a specialist in viral infections.
http://www.healthgrades.com/physician/dr-daniel-erickson-xv88l

As the American College of Emergency Physicians said; “As owners of local urgent care clinics, it appears these two individuals are releasing, non-peer reviewed data to advance their personal financial interests without regard for the public's health.”

To be describing Covid19 as like a bad season of the flu is utterly incorrect. Look mate, I get that these two managed to get their mugs on Fox News and their stance, however unsupported it is with real data, is falling in line with the Trumpettes but you really should cut them loose.

SteeleRedux,

I think Dr Erickson is extrapolating from facts from his own medical business involving up to date data in his community. Plus he draws on other data. Facts are at this point in time in Australia since January 2020, there have been only 96 deaths out of 5,889 cases in a population of 24.99 million.

SR, why don't you and others address the shortfall in Covid deaths and treatment in comparison to the mass death pandemic that is not occurring? Then comment on the social and economic impact of draconian restrictions. Then comment on urgent solutions to overcome national recession?

Yes, those doctors have a commercial motive for speaking out but big pharma has a huge commercial motive for dismissing comment that does not fit in with delay to get a Covid-19 vaccine developed and into the world market.

SR do you have a problem with the doctors "mugs" and Trump?
The absolutely low Covid death rate in Australia has nothing to do with Trump.

As for your comment about cutting people loose, that's a way to cut off communication and debate and solutions

How can China be the source of Covid-19 in December 2019 or January 2020, if that virus was in Australia earlier in 2019 and in Sweden in November 2019, as the following evidence indicates?

http://www.afr.com/policy/health-and-education/old-pathology-samples-show-covid-19-was-in-circulation-last-year-20200505-p54q3e

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/05/05/sweden-says-coronavirus-cases-likely-country-early-november/

Fake news is now known to occur and there is increasing evidence deaths other than due to Covid are being added to the covid death toll.
Politics of blaming Trump in an election year are a likely motive.