Armchair Critic,

<<How would you know? Is this because that is what makes logical sense to you without experience; Or is this what you actually know from first-hand experience?>>

I know from first-hand experience in my State that did not have VAD. I sat beside my dying mother in a hospital bed when a nurse said to me, 'we can cause it to happen quickly with an extra shot of morphine'. He wanted to kill her quickly 'with an extra shot of morphine'. Mum's pain was being managed so I told the nurse, 'As long as there is breath in my body I'll oppose your desire to euthanise her'.

I know what I'm talking about from first hand experience in a State that had not legalised euthanasia.

<<Why is it clear from the Dutch example that it is impossible to control VAD? What's clear to me is that the Dutch system is flawed. What you need is a system that is foolproofed against misuse.>>

You are yodelling, mate. What is crystal clear is that no foolproof system will be found because all people - including doctors and nurses - are contaminated with the disease of depravity. 'The human mind is more deceitful than anything else. It is incurably bad. Who can understand it?' (Jeremiah 17:9).

No human being is able to tame this depravity without God's help. The VAD will infect all those involved in VAD in Australia. I am not making a prophecy. This is a fact based on Scripture.

.

Thanks, Not_Now.Soon, but I can’t say I share that vision.

I think I have amply explained my understanding of life as a Law of Nature like all other Laws of Nature such as gravity, the identical electric charge of electrons, the boiling point of water, etc. I also explained how Natural Law inspired much of our current positive law as did traditional Mosaic law and Noahide code.

These are the facts. They are not just hypotheses and they have nothing to do with the “concept of spiritual laws” that you mention.

I also explained that as life and death are two indissociable sequences of a process, it is the process that is an inalienable and imprescriptible human right. Unfortunately, our current positive law only recognizes the first sequence, life, as an inalienable and imprescriptible human right.

This is to ignore – or, perhaps, even worse – to deny reality. There can be no life without death (and vice versa).

I’m afraid there is nothing I can add to that.

So, if you don’t mind, I shall now sign off this thread.

.

Armchair Critic,

<<Start by removing 'religion' as your moral compass and put 'ethics' in that space instead.
Why? Because Christians are too ignorant and close-minded.
First they 'Leave it up to God', then when things go wrong they claim it was 'God's will'
Christians speak of 'Morality', but what does that mean?
The difference between morals and ethics is that ethics is knowing the difference between right and wrong and morals is how you act upon that knowledge.>>

Those statements are loaded with your presuppositions:

** Ethics is preferable to religion as a moral compass. Who said so? AC did.

** Christians are too ignorant and close-minded. But AC is not when he wants religion replaced by ethics.

** Your view of 'leave it up to God' is tainted with your ethical worldview rather than a Christian worldview.

** 'Christians speak of 'Morality', but what does that mean? Here is another example of your close-mindedness. If you got rid of your anti-Christian baloney, you'd go to the Christian Scriptures to discern what Christian morality is:

+ 'Do not be deceived: “Bad company corrupts good morals"' (1 Corinthians 15:33);

+ 'He [Jesus] said, “What comes out of a person defiles him. For from within, out of the human heart, come evil ideas, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, greed, evil, deceit, debauchery, envy, slander, pride, and folly. All these evils come from within and defile a person”' (Mark 7:20-23);

+ 'For you can be confident of this one thing: that no person who is immoral, impure, or greedy (such a person is an idolater) has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God' (Ephesians 5:5);

+ Etc. Etc.

And you have the audacity to ask what 'morality' means to the Christian. You are myopic in your knowledge of Christianity and its moral position.

What could be a higher morality/ethical standard than, 'In everything, treat others as you would want them to treat you, for this fulfills the law and the prophets' (Jesus according to Matthew 7:12).

strange the way people dig in so hard against the One they will give account to, especially when He was so merciful to be their Saviour if they faced up to the truth.

To Banjo Paterson.

You've explained it well enough. I just don't agree with it. I get the sympathy involved in the arguments for assisted suicide or for suicide itself. But I don't trust it. Any other arguments outside of sympathy are just justifications with out merit. Sorry to say, but that includes the law of nature you described. I explained why I disagreed earlier.

At this point we can just settle with disagreement with eachother and move on.

Spencer, do you ever wonder why these questions and issues you raise and seem to struggle with are easy for me to get to the right answer to?

Like for me I can get to the bottom of the issues you raise very easily, but for you it seems like you're a boat in a storm and your compass is spinning aimlessly out of control?

Why is that?

"Those statements are loaded with your presuppositions:"

Well truth be told my statements are loaded with decades of experience.
- And they're based also upon 'arguments that hold merit' if you paid attention.
Do you think that I have no backstory or dealings with Christians?
Do you think I say the things I do just for fun?

"Ethics is preferable to religion as a moral compass. Who said so? AC did."
No it's an argument based on merit.
With ethics I can judge the pro's and con's of all religions.

"Christians are too ignorant and close-minded. But AC is not when he wants religion replaced by ethics."
Again, merit.
I'm not sure I emphatically stated that I wanted all religion replaced by ethics.
I said YOU should set religion aside to learn ethics; so that you wouldn't fumble around on simple issues that you seem to consistently struggle with.
I care NOT whether or not you believe in a supernatural being, or your own personal salvation.
I DO care about your ability to make good judgements that can impact upon others.

"Your view of 'leave it up to God' is tainted with your ethical worldview rather than a Christian worldview."
No, again based upon merit.
My ethical worldview isn't tainted, it's your religious worldview which in reality is flawed.