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An Australian way of death: voluntary assisted dying : Comments

By Spencer Gear, published 19/3/2020

If a majority of people agree with a position, does that make it right? An Appeal to Popularity is a logical fallacy that is difficult to notice because it sounds like common sense.

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Many good points in your article OzSpen.
Posted by Not_Now.Soon, Friday, 20 March 2020 12:02:06 PM
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NNS,

<<Many good points in your article OzSpen.>>

What do you consider are the points:

(a) In favour of voluntary assisted dying (VAD), and

(b) Against VAD?
Posted by OzSpen, Friday, 20 March 2020 4:54:49 PM
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LesP,

<<I fear for the future of the Nation with the changes to the Law relating to abortion and euthanasia, together with the confusion between biological sex and gender identity.>>

Do you have some thoughts on where the Nation is going? Do we have the early stages of the 'slippery slope' with VAD and abortion? With both Vic and WA having legislated in favour of VAD and Qld contemplating the same legislation, are we going to see a repeat of euthanasia in The Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg, and Canada?

I have an issue that is bothering me. Where are the chaplains in the presence of those asking for VAD, who can speak about what happens at death for the soul. We are taking the death of VAD too lightly when there are eternal repercussions. Where will people be 1 minute after their last breath?

See: http://truthchallenge.one/blog/2020/01/05/evidence-for-the-afterlife/
Posted by OzSpen, Friday, 20 March 2020 5:07:53 PM
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'I have an issue that is bothering me. Where are the chaplains in the presence of those asking for VAD, '

I think you know OzSpen that most chaplains these days are either not allowed or unwilling to speak the truth of eternal life these days. It would be considered hate speech unless you lied and told everyone they were going to a better place. Look at how the world went absolute beserk when in love Izzy Folau posted scripture warning people to turn to Christ.
Posted by runner, Friday, 20 March 2020 6:46:14 PM
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runner,

<<I think you know OzSpen that most chaplains these days are either not allowed or unwilling to speak the truth of eternal life these days. It would be considered hate speech unless you lied and told everyone they were going to a better place. Look at how the world went absolute beserk when in love Izzy Folau posted scripture warning people to turn to Christ.>>

This is why we need true freedom of religion in Australia so those who want to share their faith and what happens at death can do it - without recriminations.

As I see it now, Australia is not a land where freedom of speech is truly available. We can speak on issues, but if we dare to bring Jesus and eternal life into the discussion, it is treated as forcing religion on people. Or that horrible word: proselytising!!

That's what we are not doing. We share the glory of eternal life now and in the future because we know there is an eternity where people will meet their Maker at the moment of death (see Hebrews 9:27).
Posted by OzSpen, Friday, 20 March 2020 7:56:06 PM
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Dear OzSpen,

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You wrote (in relation to the fundamental human right to life and death) :

« That kind of morality or view of human rights gave Hitler & the Nazis the right to murder 6 million Jews in the Holocaust.

« The 'right' gave Stalin the opportunity to murder 20 million people in the Gulag.

« The Chinese Communist Party leader, Chairman Mao Zedong, was the worst in the 20th century, slaughtering 35-45 million »
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No, it didn’t give them the "right" to do any of that, OzSpen.

Fundamental Human Rights are based on “natural law” (the law of nature) – not on morality. They are an inherent attribute of sovereignty and dignity of every human being, irrespective of “race, colour, sex, language, religion, culture, political or other opinion, national or social origin, property, birth or other status”.

Fundamental Human Rights are universal in their application and not limited to any particular code of religious morality of which there are almost as many as there are religions (about 4,300 in all) – which reminds me that if, by some incredibly extraordinary stretch of the imagination, they did, you should have also mentioned the 123 religious wars in the world throughout history which represent roughly 2% of all deaths by war, i.e., 2% of 1,640 million = 32.8 million, to which should also be added the estimated 6,000-8,000 people executed during the 350 years of the Inquisition.

Fundamental Human Rights are not a question of right or wrong. There is no morality in nature, OzSpen, only whatever is most efficient for the survival of the species by a process of evolution based on trial and error.

The Holocaust and other crimes against humanity perpetrated by Hitler, Stalin and Mao Zedong whom you mention, have nothing to do with euthanasia or “voluntary assisted dying”.

You make no mention of them in your article and there is absolutely no reason why you should.

It would be monstrous to suggest that they were “voluntary” victims.

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Posted by Banjo Paterson, Saturday, 21 March 2020 12:34:57 AM
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