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Decay and decadence of democracy : Comments

By Rodney Crisp, published 19/3/2020

The growing disenchantment with our political leaders, political parties and system of representative democracy merits reflection.

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If people don’t trust democracy and politicians, why do they continue voting for the same people all the time? If enough of them turned up at polling booths to have their names marked off to avoid fines, then walked out the exit, or stayed long enough to write comments on the ballot papers, political parties would sit up and take notice.

It has been suggested that there should be a mass enrolment in parties so that we could influence the selection of candidates, but getting down and dirty in political parties is a step too far for most of us. No, the easiest and cleanest way is to cast an informal vote, or pass through the polling booth on the way to somewhere else.

There is no point in telling pollsters how much you hate politicians or how much you are jaded by the misuse of democracy; you have to do something about it.

And, forget ‘direct democracy’ - Citizen Initiated Referenda - while you sit back and let the current crop of no-hoping, self-serving politicians run the show instead of serving you as was intended. There will never be CIR as long as we allow ourselves to be dictated to by politicians. The don’t want it, and they will not give it to us.
Posted by ttbn, Thursday, 19 March 2020 9:27:43 AM
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Limit immigration for a bit so people feel like their vote matters, get the birth rate above replacement, and watch confidence in democracy soar
Posted by progressive pat, Thursday, 19 March 2020 9:32:05 AM
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DEMOCRACY! Hahahaha. You're joking surely? Democracy is defined, by the people, of the people and for the people. And we have nothing like that here! Instead, it is by the political parties, for the political parties and of the political parties.

And starts with our system of highly manipulated and managed preferential voting, which is rendered into an absolute nonsense by preference swaps ( dirty deal done in the dead of night) that all but render the popular will of the people, just so much BS (sales marketing) AND SHOVELLED BY THE SHIP LOAD!

Then there is this crap about toeing the party line! And given it is in vogue, might as well elect one player supported by a number of rubber stamps! Because toeing the party line, all but guarantees, that's the effective outcome?

And then academics like yourself wonder why de-mock-crazy, is less popular now, as a more erudite electorate looks at our system and wonders, why bother!? I mean around 40% of young folks don't!

Particularly when all one sees here is patently puerile partisan party politics, self-evident self-interest and the wielding of power as the only real goal, with all else, just window dressing and (machinegun, motor mouth) sales marketing? And represented in (real-life) the streets, by those (me, me, me)buffoons who have emptied out the supermarket shelves?

Then we wonder why we, a once egalitarian society, went from the third wealthiest nation on the planet and a creditor one at that. Marked by unprecedented post-war prosperity, to the debt-laden debt-riddled basket case it has been (deliberately) transformed into?

And what one might expect as an outcome, when the same old business a usual is trotted out all while expecting a different outcome! And I know you know exactly what I'm saying?
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Thursday, 19 March 2020 9:56:31 AM
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"Most mainstream Western political leaders, whether of the right or the left, including ours, are garden-variety globalists. They are out to dispense increasing quantities of useless foreign aid to ne’er-do-well states; import unending streams of poorly-skilled, culturally-challenged refugees; free up trade whatever the despair this causes within many of their own communities; and make quixotic quests to save the planet whatever the cost to their own industries, to their old and to their poor"
Posted by ttbn, Thursday, 19 March 2020 9:58:36 AM
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Democracy is merely the catch-cry for the hangers-on !
Posted by individual, Thursday, 19 March 2020 10:36:22 AM
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Hangers on!? Like all those folk that sit on their asses ( the drones and leaners) as others do all the grunt and the thinking for them! That amasses their personal wealth?

Or those whose small independent businesses depend on the great unwashed custom to survive? Hanging on by their fingernails currently?

And destroyed by a few weeks quarantine?
Can still get out there and do the grunt with the rest, once our economy recovers, in around a decade?

Unless the business, as usual, is replaced with leadership and vision. which would size the day and all the annual billions we'd earn as a perfectly safe, nuclear waste repository

And then use that mostly unspent fuel, in MSR technology to power the nation for thousands of years, with all but free, economy turbocharging, carbon-free, electricity, we can also export to anywhere via, undersea, graphene cored cables.

All funded and financed via the aforementioned, annual billions. Annual billions we currently turn our backs on solely due to diabolically disingenuous mendacious mischievous, vexatious, the sky will fall, totally irrational BS fearmongering!

You can't polish a turd!

It's the indolent, coal-fired hangers-on who alone prevent this potentially massive, vast economic renascence!
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Thursday, 19 March 2020 12:58:21 PM
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As academia became more and more putried by regressive ideologies and denial of biology more and more people voted for regressive politicians while despising the deplorables. We saw even the Liberal party infiltrated by the likes of Turnbull and other wets. I am thankful at last we have a few decent men like Dutton, Morrison and Frydenberg who are pushing back. We really need a Trump to uncover the swamp of the lying left liberal media, the total corrupt academia and the putried globalist agenda supported by the Greens and others. Decay is almost complete when you have nothing left but indoctrinating kids with homosexuality, transgender rubbish and man made gw rubbish.
Posted by runner, Thursday, 19 March 2020 1:45:02 PM
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Five brief essays on why our so called democracy has inevitably failed.
And of course in the case of the USA the appearance of the Golden Haired Barbarian or the Trumpenfuhrer is perfect proof of this failure.
http://www.beezone.com/da_publications/healpocc.html
http://www.beezone.com/da_publications/coopdemo.html
http://www.beezone.com/da_publications/disccomm.html
http://www.beezone.com/da_publications/sacrstat.html
http://www.beezone.com/da_publications/popdisgu.html On the role of the media

The solution:
http://www.beezone.com/da_publications/restsacr.html
Posted by Daffy Duck, Thursday, 19 March 2020 4:52:10 PM
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A naive trust in the internet for on line voting here.

More insecure than a polling booth.

I've abandoned my credit card in exchange for a debit card, since it was hacked so many times it was becoming boring, if not for the loss of money and hassle it caused.

Online voting will definitely not work. Forget that idea as a substitute.

Dan
Posted by diver dan, Thursday, 19 March 2020 7:04:27 PM
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You can't polish a turd!
Alan B,
Rather difficult. I imagine that's why they gave up on that idea & covered Turds with sheets of BA's & call them bureaucrats ! Collectively, they've created a system to stall common sense !
Posted by individual, Friday, 20 March 2020 7:00:48 AM
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It appearsr you're not aware of the meaning of the term "Hangers-on".
A "Hanger-on" is someone very unlucky who loses their gainful employment. A H-O is someone who actively does sfa, mainly hidden away within the legions of bureaudroids, their only qualification being a BA without Merit ! This in turn equals billions of Taxpayer provided Dollars spent in return for really very little if any benefit to society.
Judging by some of the queries here it is evident that some of H-O's are frequenting OLO !
Posted by individual, Friday, 20 March 2020 8:48:20 AM
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Typo ......is not someone who is ......
Posted by individual, Friday, 20 March 2020 11:15:20 AM
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Yep....

"Many forms of Government have been tried, and will be tried in this world of sin and woe. No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed it has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.…"

W S Churchill
Posted by mhaze, Friday, 20 March 2020 12:22:16 PM
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W S Churchill
m haze,
Wow ! When I said here on OLO that Democracy is the worst kind of Dictatorship I was all but vilified !
I suppose time changes everything.
Posted by individual, Friday, 20 March 2020 4:27:15 PM
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individual,

I think you've misunderstood the quote.

Its pro-democracy.
Posted by mhaze, Saturday, 21 March 2020 7:31:28 AM
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Its pro-democracy.
mhaze,
Still doesn't work, you got another one ?
Posted by individual, Saturday, 21 March 2020 10:01:13 AM
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mhaze,
Come to think of it, what the pro-democracy advocates are really after is a Govt for each of them rather than a Govt for all !
Posted by individual, Saturday, 21 March 2020 10:03:50 AM
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"what the pro-democracy advocates are really after is a Govt for each of them rather than a Govt for all !"

Whereas all the other forms of government (oligopoly, dictatorship, totalitarian, kleptocracy, monarchy etc etc ) are totally about government for all?

Or maybe just one of them....which one indi?
Posted by mhaze, Saturday, 21 March 2020 11:32:40 AM
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mhaze,
Ideally ? A benevolent Dictator. However, just ridding ourselves of that insidious system of corrupt or incompetent bureaucrats in the Public Service being un-sackable would be a good start to make the present so-called Democracy less of a swamp !
Posted by individual, Saturday, 21 March 2020 8:09:15 PM
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" A benevolent Dictator."

There's no such thing. Never has been, never will be. Its fantasy-land stuff.
Posted by mhaze, Sunday, 22 March 2020 8:31:31 AM
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m haze,
I thought that's what I said !
Posted by individual, Sunday, 22 March 2020 8:41:24 AM
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