yeah, and ...

Assange thought he could get away with encouraging US Government employees to leak millions of classified documents to Assange's Wikileaks fiefdom - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WikiLeaks

Assange's whole business model was the use of INTERnational communications using the INTERnet. In using the INTERnet Assange hoped he would be Immune from any country's laws (especially the UK's and US').

BUT, the US, UK, Snowden's Russia and almost all developed countries have made laws (for many years) against use of the INTERnet to publish their highly classified documents.

Lesson! If you're not prepared to face the consequences of YOUR actions, DO NOT PROCEED! End of story! I for one, will be glad when this exercise in monumental BS is over and done!

And this site finally liberated to debate far more important issues!

Like say, a credible energy policy? TBC.
Alan B.

Alan, Bereft of the facts as usual and as I wrote yesterday, Manning is not free, Manning was imprisoned Illegally again last year by the US government for failing to give evidence against Assange in this current trumped up legal fiasco.

Assange sought asylum because of the false rape charges brought against him by Sweden, at the behest of the US govt, knowing full well he would be extradited to the US illegally on the current false charges.

No mystery, you just need to know the facts before making false assumptions as you have for more than 3 years that I can recall.
Galen

As I understand you, Galen, your opinions are facts and my facts, merely opinion?

Nonetheless, the criminal bail jumper will soon have his day in court, as he should! And on the basis of, do the crime, do the time! Y'll have a nice day now, y'hear.
Alan B.

Alan, they are not my opinions, they ARE the FACTS.

Look at the evidence, it does not lie.

This fiasco is up there with Russiagate, Ukrainegate, Trumps fake impeachment and so many other ridiculous things that have unequivocally been proven to be false/fake.

Stop relying on the MSM for your information, you might actually learn a thing or two.
Galen

In my opinion, Assange is a problematic child.

One would think (normally, one would think), when granted safety in a foreign embassy, a normal token of return respect, would be to desist from the suspect activity which necessitated the need for escape in the first place: But no, Assange continued without interruption, to ply his trade behind the walls of the Ecuadorean embassy. (And more).

The man displays every sign of complete arrogance. He continues to flutter red rags to the US bull, and remarkably expects sympathy. It's difficult under this mountain of now common knowledge, to have respect and sympathy towards him and his left wing cause.

Even left leaning Al has none for him.

But I do believe personally, since his activity and attitude have driven this situation to the absolute extreme outcome which it has, Assange should be treated humanly, and granted bail with strict condition. One of the most important conditions should be to remove his access to the internet, thus disabling his obsessional attacks on the US.

Dan

Dan: Agree mostly with everything you say. However, a proven flight risk ought not be granted bail nor any opportunity to receive anything under the table by complicit defence lawyers. That said, he should be granted a fair trial, based only on the indisputable provable facts. And a robust defence. Can't get fairer than that!

The rumours around that he would be granted a pardon if he claimed there was no Russian interference in U.S. elections is interesting, to say the least is, is Assange's apparent inability to comply.
Alan B.

Dearest Al

I agree on your view of a fair trial. But obviously in his deplorable state of physical and mental health, to achieve a fair trial needs the state of his health to be considered: Especially if he is to pass the test of a reliable witness.

He has pissed-off Uncle Sam, and for that he will pay, understandable entirely. But your correct, for a public trial to remain credible it must show compassion, or its outcomes are farcical.
This is already boardering on one of those Russian show trials from the fifties, so often in our news back then. A pointless exercise.

So, thus my opinion on his release on bail.
Things have changed now, since his exit from the Embassy, where there was a good degree of public observation assisted by the odd comment from the Embassy staff.
He was well treated there.
Now though, he is in entirely different circumstances incarcerated in a British prison cell.
These conditions are not conducive to a fair trial at all; especially if he is to personally participate in a meaningful way.

Got your fishing story. But saving a responsive post.

Dan

Alan, Assange has categorically proven as has Bill Binney (retired and former Director of NSA technical directorate and the man who designed the most comprehensive NSA spying network still in operation today) Russian interference was minimal. Binney also proved the ‘hack’ of the DNC server was not a hack but a download onto a USB device.

The Russian government did not interfere in the 2016 election insofar as was undertaken by Russian sanctioned intelligence agencies. The ‘interference’ amounted to $4700 worth of adverts on Google platforms as admitted by Google.

Gunna let him go now arya Alan...arya...?
Galen

I wonder if Assange actually thought of the lives he put at rsk ?

Just imagine how many families could be helped out of misery with all the money & effort put into this circus ?

A couple of pollies without a single medical credential to bless between them, had butchers at Assange and decided with their robust medical expertise, he was not well?

Assange apparently thinks he should not pay for jumping bail to avoid facing the Swedish courts and a charge of contested rape, apparently supported by DNA evidence?

it's not up to me to let him go, or end his self imposed torment. So he can resume where he left off!

He should be extradited and sent to a prison hospital in the US. where any and all REAL medical issues can be adequately addressed/and overseen by his court-appointed defence team.

I would, given my druther interview him attached to a polygraph and observed by space-age, covertly deployed unbeatable lie detection. And could have already happened. His self imposed exile was of his making, not mine Ditto his criminal record!

I get that he does give a flying french frankfurt for what happens to his USED accomplice, Private Manning, who it seems has been reincarcerated for withholding evidence. And after the post pardon, miraculous recovery?

I'm not condoning any crime, by any party nor any cover-up of official crime. What I cannot abide is the hacking of a candidates personal email account for blatant political sabotage! And the alleged rapes! And where the unbeatable, covertly deployed, space-age lie detection would enable the truth to be revealed! And assist the court and justice no end!

It remains my contention that this man is not as represented, the second coming, just a bail jumping criminal, illegal computer hacker, quaking in his boots at the idea he may have to man up and face the consequences of his various illegal activities!

Moreover, given I'm not holding him! I cannot, therefore, decide or not whether or not he faces his accusers! It's not down to me, never ever was!

If it were he would receive justice in the form of a lead pill between the peepers. And trouble us, the treasury or justice no more.
Alan B.

Alan
How many times do you need to be told...he has not done anything illegal...nothing.

The was no rape, there is no DNA evidence, that is a blatant lie.
His extradition to Sweden was illegal, another blatant lie.
He did not commit espionage, another lie.
He did not endanger any lives, the US govt admitted this, another lie.
His attempted extradition to the US is illegal under UK/US law.

Stop posting lies it only adds to the knowledge of all posters on OLO that you are untrustworthy in that which you post. It also calls into question all of your posts on other issues.

Please explain this ‘space age’ lie detection equipment, if it really existed, every court in the world would use it, they don’t vis another lie?

You really need to take a long hard look at yourself if you want rational people to believe what you post here.

I personally don’t like Assange, this however does not stop me posting the truth about what is really going on.
Galen

he has not done anything illegal...nothing.
Galen,
What about the moral aspect ? Jeopardising many peoples' lives ?

Did the American surveillance capture footage of Julian wiping his poo on the walls? The guy listening to the powow between Geoff and Jules must have been bored witless.

Indy, what about the thousands of lives lost because of these evil bastards sending good men to their deaths to fight a politically driven agenda, which had nothing to do with protecting the countries of the invaders, mainly UK and the USA?
I believe Assange was trying to expose the evil elements and people behind the mass murders, all done under the table in the name of some terrorists or other, but in fact were the UK and US.
This whole thing is a political witch hunt, which essentially has exposed the corruption and malfeasance of the two major players of evil, who are merely puppets for the REAL criminals.
I'm not saying, I'll let someone else take that honour.
Why do you think these rulers all need security, because they are as bent as they come, and the few of us who know the truth, and the courage to do something REAL about it would.
Unfortunately there are too few that would conspire to and carry out an attack on the elites of this world.
I imagine it would be a suicide mission, but with any luck he would have taken out enough of them to make them re-think their priorities before he was taken out.
Just think back to Kennedy.
He was going to pass laws that the elite did not want so they had him assassinated.
As you would expect, Kennedy's killer was also killed very soon after.
Covering all their bases, leaving no trace back to them.
It was rumored, it was the Mafia.
Well that part could be right, but who paid the Mafia?

Alan? Alan? The silence is deafening!

Have I hit a nerve? I hope so.
Galen

Individual - “ What about the moral aspect ? Jeopardising many peoples' lives ?”

What about it? What about the morality of 18 years of illegal AND immoral wars which have conservatively killed one million (1,000,000) people and maimed and destroyed the lives of millions more.

If Assange is bereft of morals, what do we say about the war criminals who have perpetrated these crimes against humanity? Peas and carrots anyone?
Galen

In the mix, Julian shone the spot light on horrific war crimes committed by the n.american military.

And for that, he should be given a medal.

..

Thereafter, I fail, as of yet, to understand the legal basis underpinning the charges against him.

He did not commit crimes inside n.america.
He is not a n.american citizen.

Exactly which n.american laws have extraterritorial effect over non-american citizens?

Have they perhaps classified him as an information "terrorist?" or something of that ilk?

Would anyone like to tune me in to what I am missing?