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Brexit: vindication for de Gaulle but maybe a pyrrhic victory for British nationalism? : Comments

By Brendan O'Reilly, published 20/2/2020

De Gaulle said that the UK was 'incompatible with Europe' and that she harboured a 'deep-seated hostility' to any pan-European project.

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Britain has always had a cool global scope. On the other hand, a post-Brexit EU should move its headquarters from Brussels to Aachen cathedral in order to revive the carolingian elements which made europe so amazing.
Posted by progressive pat, Thursday, 20 February 2020 8:44:59 AM
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I think a lot of it is the threat of being culturally overwhelmed. The Brits must have a lingering mistrust of Germany from WW2. They won that now Germany is bigger economically and is trying to call the shots eg Europe must phase out nuclear power. Fear of cultural domination by England also goes for Scotland and Ireland since they are not even part of the European landmass.

But old England's not done yet to paraphrase the Dad's Army song. English is the world's dominant language and London is the world's main tourist destination. As the EU turns in on itself I think Brexit will be seen in retrospect as a good move.
Posted by Taswegian, Thursday, 20 February 2020 8:48:03 AM
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Yes, Britain will go on and remain one of the great liberal democracies.
Posted by Chris Lewis, Thursday, 20 February 2020 8:56:20 AM
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Aren't we lucky that we rid ourselves of that lunatic Rudd before he entangled us in an an arrangement similar to the EU with Asia. Most people have probably forgotten that he was serious about such a thing.
Posted by ttbn, Thursday, 20 February 2020 10:28:50 AM
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De Gaulle was right and vindicated! Britain should have continued on the path she was on. pursuing free trade and markest wherever she could.

Was brought undone by the British disease and militant unions and the reason we should, wherever we can, adopt/transition to cooperative capitalism as government-funded and facilitated cooperatives! As they are non-unionise entities that pay better wages and supply far better conditions than any unionised workforce can emulate or duplicate!

Are far and away, the most efficient, productive, private enterprise, free-market business models, ever envisaged. Nonetheless, dismantled by economic illiterates at the behest of idiotic ideological imperatives where and whenever they could?

And assisted in that endeavour by greed motivated quislings in the ranks? Many of who are now demanding price-fixing solutions that were never ever necessary when co-ops managed their produce or enterprises!

Overproduction is what killed sugar along with a failure to understand its future lies in producing ethanol as an alternative fuel! Not assisted by the foreign ownership and supply of all our refined fuel!

And down to some of the most moribund decisions, I believe, by government decision-makers! Driven by obnoxious, patently puerile, ideological (the government has no business in business) imperatives!?
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Thursday, 20 February 2020 11:46:52 AM
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From 2021, the UK will be denying visas to low-skilled workers to block employers' use of imported cheap labour over out of work Brits. I would like to hear Scott Morrison say, "How good is that", and do the same for Australia's unemployed.
Posted by ttbn, Thursday, 20 February 2020 11:49:09 AM
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We don't need cheap imported labour! Neither did the UK! You want cheap goods, lowest costing production?

Then you need the following.

Cooperatives producing all your goods and services in direct marketing that cuts out the profit demanding paper-shuffling middleman. And in that single government imposed imperative, literally halve the cost of doing business or living!

And as that becomes the new normal, oblige every one dollar to circulate around and around in our economy, doing the economic work of seven or more!

And immeasurably assisted by energy-dependent automation and high tech innovation! Plus real tax reform rolled out as a universal applicable flat tax o 15%

The final piece of the economic jigsaw is unconventional nuclear energy and power prices below 3 cent PKWH. And not pie in the sky but with tried, tested and proven old technology! Withheld because of alleged sovereign risk to several foreign players

Can be fuelled with four times more abundant much cheaper thorium, or tasked as nuclear waste burners that then given commonsense decisions, provide virtually free electrical energy and an economy going gang-busters!

We've always had (brain -dead) experts who knew it couldn't be done!

And now hold sway in our parliaments, as decision-makers and worst of all, as elitist, tribal elders, who've never faced a popular vote in their lifetimes!?

I mean, come on, 18-year-old political advisors!? 23-year-olds reportedly deciding against FOI's and so on!

So who's in charge? who's running the country and is the advice they receive and implement? The best and most expert, informed, mature advice? And then we bemoan outcomes!

Well, you put them there Dumbo and enabled their diabolically dumb decisions and any and all outcomes that flow from there!

Maybe if you understand things like an individual's preferred energy policy, labour policy, migration policy, border security,y social security policy etc. Before you placed them on the ballot paper and then turfed them when they failed to support same?

Maybe there'd be far fewer none core promises, idiotic ideological imperatives or taboo topics?
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Thursday, 20 February 2020 12:51:45 PM
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