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Australia’s greenhouse gas emissions strategy is a policy failure : Comments

By Chris Lewis, published 6/2/2020

One report notes that the UK’s carbon dioxide level, which reduced by 38% between 1990 and 2017, would have been four times higher if change had not occurred through political leadership.

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ALTRAV,
I still can't understand how any intelligent person can believe AGW to be a scam, when there's such overwhelming evidence that the claims it isn't occurring are a scam. We know with 100% certainty that CO2 warms the planet. We know how it warms the planet, and we know that the planet is warming. So how can the denial of this be based on anything other than lies or wishful thinking?

The temperature cycles our planet has been going through are much more complicated than a sine curve, but more importantly, if those natural cycles were what were driving the temperature now, our planet would be cooling.

Of course we need CO2, but it's certainly not a case of "the more the better". Our planet is warmer than it's been for thousands of years. And it was cheaper shipping, rather than global cooling or even just European cooling, which caused the demise of the Medieval British wine industry.

And where did you get the idea that Greenland ever actually had a green landscape?
Posted by Aidan, Friday, 7 February 2020 2:47:46 PM
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Aidan,
Although many scientists blame CO2, many scientists disagree.
“The sun, not CO2, drives Earth’s climate,” says Dr Roger Higgs, long-time consultant geologist and sedimentologist.

Higgs bases his statement on four vital points:

Global warming and cooling are driven by the sun, specifically by the solar-sourced Interplanetary Magnetic Field, which regulates incoming cosmic rays, which in turn govern cloudiness and thus global temperature (the breathtakingly elegant Svensmark Theory).
Global temperature oscillations lag 25 years behind the causative solar magnetic fluctuations. This 25-year lag is due to ocean thermal inertia in remarkable agreement with the 15-20-year time lag by calculated theoretically and independently by Wetherald et al. 2001 and Abdussamatov et al. 2012).
The idea that CO2 is the main climate driver, despite its scarcity in Earth’s atmosphere, ie 400 parts per million (that’s just 1/2500th), near plant-starvation level, contrasts starkly with CO2’s 1,000 to 4,000 ppm levels for most of the last 600 million years.
Earth is now cooling. Global warming ended in 2016: proof that the sun, not CO2, drives Earth’s climate. Moreover, from AD500 to 1200, CO2 levels were anti-correlated with Earth’s temperature.
“The reality is that man’s industrialization just happened to occur in a period of solar-driven warming, a mere coincidence, causing governments to needlessly spend trillions of taxpayer dollars on CO2-reduction efforts,” says Dr Higgs.

See entire paper, with several graphs:
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/325805849_Global_warming_ended_in_2016_proof_that_the_sun_not_CO2_drives_Earth’s_climate

Higgs is not alone. Thousands of scientists agree. As for Greenland, it has been covered in green forest and grasslands - the science is unequivocal.
Posted by Bluebottle, Friday, 7 February 2020 3:37:23 PM
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Aidan, to put a slightly light hearted slant on this GW CC thing.
I recall someone saying; if you want proof the world is NOT going to end, you only need to refer to one thing!
THE BANKS!
He said; now if the world was ending within the next few decades, when you consider the average home loans are 30 to 40 years, he said, I can't see the banks lending money to anyone especially those wanting to buy a house on the waterfront.
The banks (Rothschilds) are the most informed people in the world, even more than Govt's, why? because they are the ones who are controlling most of the world and it's man made disasters.
Aidan there are more and more "experts" coming forward to debunk these false hoods.
I don't see many scientists coming forward to defend these same lie's.
I was on the fence for some time but after I began asking questions and looking for the truth, I came to the conclusion as far fetched as it seems, that this was just another Y2K bug, or any one of many previous attempts at extracting money from the public purse.
This is no different, and thankfully the more courageous govt's told the con-artists, to get stuffed and saw it for what it was, a con-job.
Trump was not the only one to scoff at these pricks, he just led the way to showing others to face up to these pricks and erase them by showing them they have been found out.
It took guts to do what Trump did, but he did not do it off his own back, he was advised by his advisers who know the truth about all this.
If you want more video's let me know, I've bookmarked a few, not all.
Posted by ALTRAV, Friday, 7 February 2020 5:00:32 PM
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Bluebottle, I notice in your graphs, Mann's "Hockey stick".
This has for some time been debunked and is no longer used as it was found to be false.
Mann has been challenged and is currently being challenged, but the appropriate institutions have backed away from the hockey stick so I would not use that graph any longer.
I thin I have a video discussing and condemning Mann and the hockey stick.
I will try to find it.
Posted by ALTRAV, Friday, 7 February 2020 5:08:55 PM
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Altrav,

They are Higg's graphs, not mine but if you read his piece carefully, I am sure you will see he, like you debunks the Hockey Stick theory.
Posted by Bluebottle, Friday, 7 February 2020 6:06:54 PM
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Yes Bluebottle, the arsonists are dreadful people, but the fires they light would be low key affairs if they were lit in areas that had been reduction burnt in the last couple of years, them grazed by cattle each summer, as the high country used to be.

Cattle don't compete too much with the local wildlife, but goats should not be used as they graze the same stuff the wallabies & to a lesser extent the roos need.
Posted by Hasbeen, Friday, 7 February 2020 11:07:54 PM
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