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Waiting for the replay : Comments

By Mark Buckley, published 20/1/2020

Scott Morrison is now having to deal with the two very distinct wings of his party, as they gird themselves for the culture war which will probably erupt at any moment.

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As noted by ‘Individual’; just another example of ‘name calling’. It is the same as having a conversation/argument with a 6 year old. So very very depressing. As observed my Tony Abbott, the quality of the climate change DEBATE is crap.
Posted by Prompete, Monday, 20 January 2020 12:24:35 PM
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‘name calling’
Prompete,
what'd be the alternative to wake these people up ? I'd gladly accept your advise if you can provide a way to stop THEM from doing it first !
Posted by individual, Monday, 20 January 2020 12:48:46 PM
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I must say the energy some of you guys put into your comments is exemplary. Imagine if you put a similar degree of energy into producing articles. That said, generally if one is commenting on an article it is customary to keep the comments to the subject matter covered in said article. Otherwise you are wandering off-topic. The replay in the title is a replay of the leadership spills over the last ten years, but more recently when Turnbull was knocked off by Morrison, about PRECISELY the same issue which is raising its head now: emissions reduction, or climate change mitigation, or action on the climate; versus doing nothing. So I am alerting you all that the same tensions which released the Liberal demons last time we changed Prime Ministers, are rising. I thought it was an interesting topic; I hope you do too.
Posted by askbucko, Monday, 20 January 2020 1:17:51 PM
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Oh Dear; taking it all into account means it is totally useless
arguing about how co2 is the cause of everything.
The amount in the atmosphere that we put in makes no difference.
No difference to the temperature and no difference to the bushfires.
So why argue about it ?
If you want to argue about it go and knock on the doors of the US
Chinese and Indian embassys.
Best we can do is get the fuel load down in the bush.

There is even an argument that co2 can make little or no difference
but that has to be an argument for another time, after the big
emitters have cut down. We may be saved from having the arguement anyway.
Posted by Bazz, Monday, 20 January 2020 2:13:15 PM
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Well it wasn't just Turnbull who was undone by his climate hysteria. I'd argue that every PM since Howard, and maybe even Howard was a victim of the problem of reconciling what the elite and political class want to with what the electorate is prepared to do.

Rudd was sailing smooth until Abbott overthrew Turnbull as opposition leader (because of his climate policies) and developed a focus on the costs of Kyoto etc. It was the climate what got 'im.

So Rudd falls in the polls and Gillard takes over. No Carbon tax she proclaims, because its unpopular. And she scraps in. And, treating the electorate like the mere plebs the left has always looked down on, she brings in a carbon tax. Whoops, where did those poll numbers go? So out she goes, replaced by Rudd who is really only there to save the furniture.

In comes Abbott, having overthrown a Lib leader and two( three?) PM's by exposing the costs of their climate hysteria. So he undoes all the costs and, suddenly finds himself assailed on all sides for not paying homage to Gaia.

In comes Turnbull promising rainbows and sunny Sunday afternoons. And as the promise meets the cost, down go the polls and out come the climate realists. Morrison, sitting on the sidelines, picks up the pieces.

This week there is a fresh outburst of climate hysteria based on the media pushing the we're-all-gunna-die button. And the climate alarmists feel emboldened. Next week it'll be something new. Already the rains have pushed the greatest challenge of our times off the front pages.

The problem for all these leaders and their entourage is that they can't match the rhetoric to the economics. Everyone wants to do something about the climate, everyone dutifully nods when the issue is reducing emissions.

Everyone is prepared to pay the cost, so long as that payment doesn't come from them. If we really were sincere about the reducing emissions, politicians would be trying to increase power costs. But they know that's electoral suicide

/cont
Posted by mhaze, Monday, 20 January 2020 3:18:59 PM
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/cont

So the solution for Morrison is simple. Ask those on his side of the tent who want to display their climate credentials if they are prepared to go out and campaign in favour of higher power. And until they are they need to pull their head in.

The electorate will never agree to pay for emissions reductions while-ever they are the ones doing the paying.
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I'm reminded of the late great Peter Walsh, once described as the last true socialist in the Australian Parliament.

Detour...when Rudd was telling us about the moral challenge of climate, petrol prices jumped. And what did he do? Tripped over himself to find a solution and blame someone (anyone) else. The greens went silent. But if they were sincere they should have been cheering higher prices and calling for higher still. And when electricity prices jumped, ever pollie in the land was talking about how they were going to bring them down. But if they were sincere about reducing emissions they should have been calling for higher not lower prices. But they are sincere.

So Peter Walsh. He was involved in discussions about the need to reduce the road toll by reducing speed limits. The month before he's been assailed about the need to upgrade roads. He suggested that if they really wanted to reduce speeding, all governments should stop fixing pot-holes.....stunned silence. You see they weren't really interested in doing everything possible to reduce speeding, they were interested in SAYING they were.

Same with climate hysteria.
Posted by mhaze, Monday, 20 January 2020 3:19:05 PM
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