I just saw on ABC News that Australia's scientists are writing a letter to Australia's politicians asking them to take action on climate change.

I wonder if Has been, individual, mhaze, Loudmouth, Bazz, Josephus, and all of those other AGW / climate change deniers will counter this by writing a letter from their group to Australia's politicians asking them NOT to take action on climate change.

They should, especially now that their golden boy Barnaby 'I don't want government in my life anymore' Joyce might be back on the front seat.

Hi Max.

When you say that people are not qualified to decide for themselves about climate change, are you referring to Greta Thurnberg inc. (yes, she has now trademarked her name) and Al Gore? What about AOC and Prince Charles?

One "dumbass denier" site I have watched claims that there is no university anywhere giving out diplomas in Paleoclimatology. Michael Mann is not a "climatologist", he is a physicist.

And once again you are bringing up your old todge about "peer reviewed science" without bothering to respond to what I wrote in my previous post. Your own side is now admitting that Michael Manne's iconic "peer reviewed" "hockey stick graph" has now been exposed as at best, sloppy science, at worst, absolute fraud. And the AIS, who at US government insistence investigated Manne's data and methodology, declared that it was the "peer review" process which was to blame for the bad science. To put it poetically, a very small group foxes who were besties with each other were "peer reviewing" the henhouse security.

In cases of extraordinary claims which will have extraordinary consequences on real people, it is just not good enough to have in house auditors who are friends with each examining each other's work.

As for climate alarmism being the central cause today of the loonie left, that fact so obvious that it hardly needs to be examined. HIGW is as PC as you can get. The virtue signallers all think that those whom believe in HIGW are smart and noble, and those who do not are unspeakably evil. It is not just neo socialists either. HIGW has become the boutique cause of every celebrity with a private jet and a super yacht. There is Greta, photographed with Arnie who has a whole warehouse full of muscle cars, SUV's, Humvees, and trucks. And there she is again with Leonardo, who cavorts around the world in his private jet to pick up his environmental awards. There is more hypocrisy among HIGW devotees than Hervey Weinstein giving a speech at the opening of a Rape Crisis Centre.

I thought the alarmists, would have started backing down by now.
I too have been observing the growing number of "courageous" people coming forward and debunking the GW CC fraud.
I say "courageous" because it takes courage to stand fast against a tsunami of people too gutless or ignorant or lazy to speak/know the truth about something, when it'so much easier and more comfortable to just agree and everyone gets on with there interactions with a warm and fuzzy feeling.
Those who were not included in the conversation previously are incensed that they know the truth but were not given the opportunity to engage in the debate, because they had opposing views to the alarmists, and this was not acceptable to the alarmists.
So it is that in the interest of truth, they are slowly stepping out and telling the world the truth.
And that is, that if we are going through a warming phase at the moment, it is quite normal.
It will follow that some few hundred years from now it will peak and begin heading back down into a cooling phase.
Next, CO2 is not the evil gas it is made out to be, it is part of our atmosphere.
It also changes with time, no-one knows what the norm for CO2 is.
We did not cause any harm to the planet.
Any localised degradation is minuscule when taken in context.
We do not have to change a thing about our lives, and lifestyles.
Because of this, I suggest everyone disregard any alarmists and their sick and twisted mantra, and just get on with their lives, as they have been doing before all this fraud came along.
Take a peak at this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewJ6TI8ccAw

LEGO,
I’ll pass on you rotating to Michael Crichton’s youtube until you answer why Tony Heller misrepresented a government climate agency on the pre1980’s data. Sorry, but the quality of data they were after just wasn’t there – the fire agencies said so themselves.

Denial video’s spreading on youtube? Wow, I’ll call the papers! Also spreading, flat earth society and conspiracy theory videos. And cats, don’t forget cats. And don’t forget click-bait as a motive to get any chance of some advertising revenue because as since the “Ad-pocalypse” it has become harder to earn money on Youtube. Maybe Denial is an earner?

A few posts back I never said Mann’s hockey stick was completely undone but refined and clarified further, exploring well known issues like the RWP and MWP etc and refining according to new evidence about various proxies. You can google all these issues - I don’t know why you’re so confused about it.

>In cases of extraordinary claims which will have extraordinary consequences on real people, it is just not good enough to have in house auditors who are friends with each examining each other's work.

Which is why your assertions and tinfoil hat theories are so utterly retarded. Think about what you wrote and about the sheer size of the modern scientific enterprise studying all this! Think about the many different universities and labs and agencies and individual scientists all studying it. If one young scientist could actually PROVE, as in actually demonstrate that there was nothing to worry about could you imagine the Nobel prize he or she would get?

Sorry, but climate change as conspiracy is just one of the dumbest things I’ve ever heard. I’m still waiting on the evidence that the climate science itself is a socialist conspiracy.

All you’ve done is assert the “caring left” (as Jordan Peterson describes it) cares about this as an issue. Caring people care! It’s what they do. Plastic, famine, koalas, fires, you name it.

But I’ve seen no evidence that the science itself is corrupted.

Max, I think I found the missing link.
You keep talking about the planet warming.
I think this was established early on that even though there is some reluctance towards it, it is generally accepted that it could be, especially since we are in a warming phase of the planet.
What was sneaked in to make it appear sinister, was the introduction of the human factor and that we have somehow caused this naturally occurring phenomena.
This is the lie!
What we did, or any contribution to GW or CC, by mankind, was at best negligible.
So the debate then should be about whether or not we have introduced bad things to hurt the planet.
Well it turns out that on that question we are safe, because all the so called pollutants have been policed decades ago, so we do not need to fear anything from what little pollution we emit.
Remember most of it is H2O, the rest is partly CO2.
As 70% of the atmosphere is Nitrogen, I think we have a long way to go before we need to panic, if ever.
Just thought I'd throw this one in the mix, for the hell of it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzLFZBb-n5U

Hi Max.

I have already answered your query about the US Forrest Service and I am not going to repeat myself just because you did not like the answer.

As for Michael Crichton, don't watch it if you don't want to. Ignorance is bliss. I only posted it because I was seriously concerned about you and how stupid you are going to look when it finally dawns on you that you were wrong all along. Michael Creighton was a believer like you, who has moderated his position because he is a scientist himself. He knows that the science does not support the idea of CO2 being the only reason for the earth's present warming period and he doubts if catastrophe will ever come anyway. He is not selling his beach house.

You are admitting that Manne's infamous "hockey stick" is undergoing a makeover because it was full of errors. But you are still refusing to admit that the essential point is that if Manne's research has to be redone to supposedly "correct" the errors, then Manne's "hockey stick was either very bad science or a calculated fraud. That does not say much for your precious "peer review" argument, does it?

Now you are claiming that all over the world, scientists are studying this. Why would they need to do that if we have already been told that "the science is settled?" Obviously, the science has not been settled. And as ALTRAV so helpfully displayed with his last link, the "97% consensus" is as big a fraud as Manne's hockey stick graph.

I hope I am still around when famous future authors write books about HIGW and name it as the biggest scientific fraud in history. And you can hope that nobody remembered how you were one of the biggest advocates for this fraud which is seriously damaging the deep respect for science that has developed among the public. There is still time to wise up and jump ship. You can then say that you are a social progressive instead of what you are now, a social regressive.