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Climate change accounting: the failure of COP25 : Comments

By Binoy Kampmark, published 17/12/2019

Delegates spent an extra two days and nights attempting to reach a deal covering carbon reduction measures before the Glasgow conference in 2020.

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Hmmm, does the whole atmosphere around global warming have a feel that
some sort of rationalisation is in the offing ?
27,000 delegates, what could possibly be negotiated in a crowd like that ?
Countries are not coming to agreements because they are starting to
realise the cost of it all.
Australians now understand that if we took Australia to Mars it would
have either zero of a minuscule effect on the Earth.
We have a major problem with drought and that needs lots of money and
a lot of other countries will be shopping for more expensive food if
we don't get it fixed.
Then there are the fires, the greens want to blame global warming.
That is understandable especially as it is their fault that the fires
are so bad !
Do you think those that lost their houses will vote green ?

No I think a reckoning is coming as to paraphase Bill Clinton;

IT IS THE SUN STUPID !
Posted by Bazz, Tuesday, 17 December 2019 8:31:00 AM
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The puppets dancing to the tune played by a three trillion dollar a year fossil fuel industry are never going to do more than their string-pulling masters will allow!

There is only one way to change this and save the planet, that is to throw a very big economic spanner in the works the recalcitrants cannot ignore! But, in order to protect their market share, must emulate!

Walk away safe carbon-free power costing less than 3 cents PKWH would get their attention and emulation.

And we should start now to transition away from carbon-based energy sources unless carbon neutral and endlessly sustainable.

Couple thorium powered MSR's to deionisation dialysis desalination, and we transform this nation as well as drought-proof it. And given proven technology is adopted? Available in six months!

Current energy sales can be more than replicated by carbon-free electricity sales transmitted to our energy customers via graphene cored, undersea cables?

MSR technology which has already been successfully field trialled can also be tasked with burning nuclear waste to produce virtually costless power! From energy loaded waste other folks will pay us annual billions to store.

And we can, but only after we've extracted every remaining erg of energy retained in this energy-dense material. And in so doing, reduce the half-life to just 300 years!

Sadly our current alleged representatives haven't the wit, wisdom or will to do any of this let alone contemplate it as an economic possibility that among other things, massively turbocharges our economy! More than happy to be proved wrong!

Just waiting for the usual troglodytes to come out of their caves screaming how we cannot live without coal and fossil fuels!

Can't died in a cornfield over a century ago!
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Tuesday, 17 December 2019 10:20:44 AM
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Binoy, Binoy, come on mate, even if you don't have enough math to make change for a $5 bus ticket, you know damn well the above article is a pile of garbage. Please tell us what is in it for you in posting such rubbish. Surely you can now tell by the UK election, climate change rubbish is not going to get lefty governments elected.

It is pretty obvious that governments while still pandering to the global warming hysteria are getting good if secrete advice, that a cold time is coming. Surely even in academia, the in crowd know damn well, what the low sunspot count means for future world temperature.

It is probably time to change horses, & get with the openly skeptic crowd. You could look like you had some idea of the real science in the years to come, or look like another global warming sucker.
Posted by Hasbeen, Tuesday, 17 December 2019 10:39:02 AM
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Forest Gump had a unique expression, stupid is as stupid does. I would paraphrase it as stupid is as stupid says.

It's the sun stupid! And it is!

When it waxes (increased solar activity) the ice retreats and the joint warms up.

When it wanes (decreased solar activity) the ice advances and the joint cools! Normal cyclical solar activity!

However, what cannot happen during normal cyclical activity during a waning phase, is record temperatures, retreating ice record hottest years/decades and record heat waves! And we've been in a waning phase (decreased solar activity) since the mid-seventies. (NASA)

Recent widely published surveys have shown around 96% of the public believe climate change is real and around 60+% believe we can and should do something about it?

Albeit, hotly contested by fossil fuel stooges?
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Tuesday, 17 December 2019 4:11:08 PM
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From Alan B...."And we've been in a waning phase (decreased solar activity) since the mid-seventies. (NASA)"

Well that's just wrong. Its been wrong every time you say it. But you still say it.

The solar activity has been slightly lower recently....but lower than some of the highest levels ever recorded. So if its declining from a very high maximum and remains higher than anything in the previous 400 years.

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COP25 has been a complete crash and burn. Nothing achieved. No one is prepared to give up their economy to the CO2 gods.

I'll believe it an existential crisis when the people who keep saying its an existential crisis start acting like its an existential crisis.

They aren't treating it like a crisis because, despite what they tell the alarmist cultists, they don't really think its a crisis.

Interesting that the article barely mentions China, now by far the largest CO2 emitter but excoriates the US despite it being the only major nation on earth to be significantly reducing its emissions. Pretty standard.
Posted by mhaze, Tuesday, 17 December 2019 7:01:33 PM
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These negotiations could all be achieved on a phone link up couldn't they?

Of course they could. To answer my own question.

So the whole shebang is a costly farce. And the results prove it!

Dan
Posted by diver dan, Tuesday, 17 December 2019 8:24:53 PM
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