'Successful multiculturalism'. The mantra that is never explained, never qualified. Empty words that mean nothing.

Multiculturalism is the worst thing ever foisted on us by social engineering politicians.

Time to open your eyes then ttbn.

ateday,

Well, come on then: tell me what I'm missing. Explain how multiculturalism is 'successful'.

Multiculture in Australia consists of people from many cultures getting together with people of their own culture in different areas. You only have to look around Melbourne, Greeks in Footscray, Vietnamese in Springvale, Chinese in Box Hill and Italians in Carlton, Jews in Caulfield, to just name a few.

David

"All youse that want soup, put yez 'ands up"

Real Aussie culture to me is 'no-culture' or 'anti-culture'

Foreigners might say "Australia doesn't have a culture".
- I'd say yes, that's right, and we sure as hell don't bloody well want yours -
But we'll gladly eat your grub if it tastes good;
- After all this nation was raised on rabbit

ttbn,
Successful multiculturalism is where everyone's right to freedom of culture is respected. And that is a good thing, though obviously it must remain subservient to the law of the land.

Political correctness is the worst thing ever foisted on us by social engineering politicians (who didn't invent it but supported it because they thought it would gain more votes than it would lose them, and unfortunately were probably right on that).

Political correctness tries to redefine multiculturalism as the situation where everyone keeps their original culture. But that's not, and never has been, what it's about.
Successful multiculturalism and PC pseudomuluticulturalism are mutually exclusive.

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VK3AUU,
What you're describing is cultural agglomeration.

David,

Your observation is correct - people tend to congregate with their own ethnic group.
However, Australia benefits by accepting the idea of many differing cultures living together harmoniously and spreading various cultural mores across a very broad community.

Multiculturalism means just that - many cultures, but the word has come to convey a pejorative meaning to some closed minds.

"Multiculture in Australia consists of people from many cultures getting together with people of their own culture in different areas."

But they don't get together with other cultures. We are becoming a country of tribes. All this 'togetherness' occurs only in TV commercials trying to get all the odds and sods to buy rubbish they don't need.

"Real Aussie culture to me is 'no-culture' or 'anti-culture'".

You know that is not true, AC. We have a distinct culture derived and modified from our Anglo/Saxon/Celtic forebears.

"Successful multiculturalism is where everyone's right to freedom of culture is respected".

No success there, then, particularly when there was no need for the stupid policy in the first place.

The time could come when Australia is threatened by the cultures that immigrants came from. That will bring about a very interesting situation. China and the Chinese diaspora in Australia comes to mind immediately. And the more multicultural we become, the bigger the threat to Australia.

Only very naive (some would say stupid) people approve of multiculturalism; and the very unpleasant future results of it will affect them too

Hi Aidan,

Yes, cultural practices are always changing, even imperceptibly, and certainly when people move from one cultural environment to another, like from one country to another. I'm sure that the cultural practices of the children of most groups differs markedly from those of their parents, and certainly grandparents, and MOST certainly from the cultural practices of their parents'/grandparents' homelands, although those practices would have changed as well in the intervening generations.

David, people coming to Australia are usually skint, so they seek out accommodation in the suburbs which combine cheapness and access to employment. Similarly, when we came back down to Adelaide from the country, we too sought out cheap accommodation which was accessible for our needs. Once migrants - and us too - get on their/our feet, we move out.

So the impression is that some suburbs are overwhelmingly composed of one ethnic group or another, and that 'therefore' they are cliquey, and stick together. Not so: in one suburb here which was assumed to be so Greek, only 12 % of the households were Greek. and since then, I'm sure, most of those - and more so their children - have moved out all over the city.

Ttbn, one thing about multiculturalism in all its various forms that has surprised me, is that given the difficulties that anybody has adapting to a different society, how little crime or violence there seems to be emanating rom those groups. Is there a chronic epidemic of Greek crime ? South American crime ? Cambodian crime ? I don't think so. Not even the current bogey-man, South sudanese crime. maybe I live too sheltered a life, but I just don't see it occurring. Perhaps you can cite the stats ?

I wonder sometimes if some of the hostility to ethnic groups and multiculturalism from some people is the fear that those foreigners will race off their sisters, or wives, or daughters. Inter-relations will certainly happen, and given that

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and given that I married an Aboriginal woman, I'm all for it. It produces beautiful children. Charles Darwin called it hybrid vigour - it's sort of the opposite of cross-cousin marriage, and all to the good for that. Get ready for inter-racial and inter-ethnic grandchildren, you fellas :)

Joe

Get ready for inter-racial and inter-ethnic grandchildren, you fellas :)
loudmouth2,
I've been saying that for decades. Imagine the racists not being able to bleat racism ! Wonder what they'll invent instead ?

"5Ttbn, one thing about multiculturalism in all its various forms that has surprised me, is that given the difficulties that anybody has adapting to a different society, how little crime or violence there seems to be emanating rom those groups. Is there a chronic epidemic of Greek crime ? South American crime ? Cambodian crime ? I don't think so. Not even the current bogey-man, South sudanese crime. maybe I live too sheltered a life, but I just don't see it occurring. Perhaps you can cite the stats ?"

Joe,

Greeks are Europeans whose culture is little different from ours. Standing out in the criminal gang category are the African gangs. South Americans and Cambodians? We haven't had waves of them, but their crime rate is probably average.

I note that you stay clear of mentioning Lebanese, Vietnamese, Afghans, Chinese etc. - well represented in criminal affairs.

But, the criminal leanings of various cultures is not a concern of mine. I've spelt out my objections to multiculturalism enough times already. Those who don't hold my views will never hold my views, so there's not much point in spelling them out every time the subject comes up.

Not enough people listened to warnings about the pending fall civilisations throughout history, either. The civilisations fell, as will ours. Nothing changes. People don't heed history, nor do they often think sensibly.

"Successful multiculturalism is where everyone's right to freedom of culture is respected."

Yes, but is it not the same as religion?
- In that the right to 'freedom of religion' must also include the right to freedom FROM religion?

Does the right to 'freedom of culture' not also include the right to freedom from culture?

This 'racist' white Australia they frown upon, our old identity
Back then when we identified as being our own thing, different from everyone else;

Our soul;
We'd put crap on the Brits,
Put crap on the yanks;
We'd put crap on everyone,
In a friendly kind of way.

Our culture, what we identified as;
Was simply being our own thing, and different to everyone else.
Our culture was 'no-culture' or 'anti-culture'.
i.e 'Anything but theirs'.

All this talk of culture;
The real Australia I know and love recognises a right to not be imposed upon by any other culture.

I'm not going to sell out my culture of 'no culture' or 'anti-culture' only to be become subservient to a 'global generic culture'.

I have a right to resist that just as much as any other culture attempting to impose itself upon me.

Australia is drifting away from being a multicultural society and quickly becoming a bi-cultural society in which the dominant group will be Chinese. The other group won't actually be a group, it will just be everybody that isn't Chinese. You can see this happening now in Sydney.

I'm interested to see how long it takes before the government acknowledges that Australia is predominantly a Chinese nation. I expect to see a lot more Gladys Lius going into Parliament and even a Chinese PM is now on the cards.

How about this hypothesis:

Crime is crime, just the same, but those of the dominant culture (or close to it) are better camouflaged and also better skilled in the art of not being caught...

Culture is one of the most used excuse cop-outs !

Hey Yuyutsu,
I think more to the point the traditional culture don't pay as much attention to crimes by their own as they do pay attention to the same crimes when they're done by those perceived as foreigners.

AC,

Good point: crime by people from majority cultural backgrounds tends to be invisible, sort of taken for granted, 'non-specific'. So in most people's minds, it is 'non-ethnic'. Crimes by non-Anglos tends to be more noticeable, with names and dress and appearance giving cues which would be otherwise passed over.

Joe

Crimes by non-Anglos tends to be more noticeable,
loudmouth2,
Only because they keep making a point to be noticed !

Individual,

So ....... it's pretty crook to be noticed, to dress differently i.e. noticeably - but not so bad NOT to be noticed and yet to commit more offences ?

Looking different is the greater offence ?

In fact, it's worse to dress differently or noticeably than to commit offences ?

Joe

secular death culture is as bad as any. Murder the unborn, knock off the elderly, promote perversion and virtue signal about your future being stolen. With no moral base its not surprising. To think that a large percentage of young people vote for this marxist garbage leaves little hope for the future.

In fact, it's worse to dress differently or noticeably than to commit offences ?
loudmouth2,
It's worse when the two are used at the same time such as is the case with medieval superstition & its on-going brainwashing of the brain-dead !

Hi Individual,

Yes, indeed it would be. But on its own, how people dress is surely no great crime ?

It seems a lot of people in Sydney are wearing face-masks against the smog. Would you ban that ? Have it declared a crime ?

Joe