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Victoria’s native forestry ban exemplifies the lost perspective of ‘progressive’ politics : Comments

By Mark Poynter, published 14/11/2019

Australia cannot afford to needlessly trash valuable industries at the behest of fashionable causes.

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Victoria and Dopey Dan should be enough to put anyone off socialism.
Posted by ttbn, Thursday, 14 November 2019 11:05:25 AM
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It is only a matter of time before the next big busfire wipes out much of the Victorian forest, especially in east Gippsland, given the lack of logging and hazard reduction. Much of the wildlife, that the VIc government says it cares about, will go up in smoke too, and there will be accompanying massive carbon emissions.

Australia has some magnificent native hardwoods. The paradox is that they are becoming increasingly difficult to acquire.
Posted by Bren, Thursday, 14 November 2019 12:03:12 PM
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Indigenous natives have selectively logged their forests for millennia. Without harm to either flora or fauna!

Indeed the very opposite.

Trees are just very large very tall plants and should never be tasked almost alone with reducing atmospheric carbon.

And store carbon whether horizontal or vertical!

Locking it away stops foresters from creating the logging tracks that also double as firebreaks.

And reduces the number of vested interest eyes looking out for fire!

And on that topic, there are far better ways of managing land than with fire! Which destroys all, the non-fire-tolerant species. sends scarce valuable mineral nutrients skyward with each burn, in the smoke. To be lost forever!

And progressively bakes the ground making it more and more impervious to water/rainfall!

Fuel loads can be reduced anytime with whipper snippers or goats. And some foliage can be further reduced with camels and brumbies. And do no harm but the very opposite with rapid intensive cell grazing, or where not possible, overnight corrals that are changed fairly frequently.

The landscape can be made to hold far more water with myriad upland dams, levies and weirs. And, contours! Could if properly planned and rolled progressively out, store up to three years worth of water, in the landscape, without any recharge rain!

State forests/national parks are a significant part of the landscape that must be managed as above, with modern methods and not allowed to be occupied by firebug folk who have an agenda, i.e., an ability to claim occupation and therefore, Native title?

Feral animals need to be culled to maintain optimum numbers for fuel reduction!
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Thursday, 14 November 2019 12:19:11 PM
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Oh well we can all use plastic furniture. Oh, that requires oil.
Also lots of electricity to manufacture it.
Anybody got a few boxes ?
Posted by Bazz, Thursday, 14 November 2019 1:06:13 PM
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Here's what the IPCC 2019 report says about forestry:

In the long term, a sustainable forest management strategy
aimed at maintaining or increasing forest carbon stocks, while
producing an annual sustained yield of timber, fibre or energy
from the forest, will generate the largest sustained mitigation
benefit.
Posted by Bernie Masters, Thursday, 14 November 2019 1:31:23 PM
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Young trees, not 2-inch seedlings store more carbon ton for ton that old growth. Trees are plants and like all plants are harvestable! Not sacred icons to be worshipped like some deity!

When we last managed our forests through selective logging and before the insanity of clear felling, we halved the trees felled and doubled the forestry jobs!

What has replaced our forestry jobs has been tourism and with that, massively accelerating house prices and accommodation costs!

And as the first visible consequence, Hobart, for example, is no longer affordable for many, including m many elderly females some of who were forced to seek shelter in a tent in the camping grounds.

It's all well and good to talk about unintended consequences, but that rhetoric doesn't change outcomes. Or the dream castle dwelling idiots who caused it!
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Thursday, 14 November 2019 3:18:52 PM
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Perhaps trees are sacred - especially the big old ones.
http://www.dabase.org/trees.htm

Remember the revenge of the Ents in The Lord of the Rings.
Posted by Daffy Duck, Thursday, 14 November 2019 6:46:03 PM
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The only comment I have for this subject is, it's a lot more convenient to travel to Victoria than it is to travel to Canada, but the result is the same!

Dan
Posted by diver dan, Thursday, 14 November 2019 7:53:44 PM
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From 2003 to 2009, in seven short years, Victorian Labor oversaw wildfires burn more than 3,365,000 hectares of Victoria. The death toll for birds, mammals and reptiles based on CSIRO estimates for the 2003 fires, is in the order of 400 to 500 million.

One might expect, if Premier Dan was truly concerned about the environment, he would not have allowed DELWP to slide on the 5 percent fuel reduction burn target recommend by the 2009 Black Saturday Royal Commission. In 2017-18, the department managed fuel reduction operations on one percent of the public forest estate. This is only 20 percent of the recommended level.

By demolishing the native forest industry, Premier Dan takes away a key element of the on-ground fire fighting force. Premier Dan's alleged concern for things environmental seem somewhat hollow, given the risk of devastating wildfires is increased by higher forest fuel levels and loss of critical plant and skilled operators.

Instead, the future of regional Victorian, fringe Melbournians and the state's precious wildlife and old-growth is dictated by a Russian roulette computer model and the Safer Together slogan.
Posted by SOFs, Monday, 18 November 2019 7:20:41 PM
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In 2003, it was estimated that the Australia wide bush fires released 190 million tonnes of CO2. Assuming Victoria owned about a third of the total, the 1 million plus hectares of Victorian fires would account for 63 MILLION TONNES. That is about 37 years worth of carbon releases Premier Dan attributed to harvesting.
Another million hectares plus in 2006-07 and half a million in 2009 and an inability to manage mega fire risk, has released over 90 million tonnes of CO2, with out all the other smaller bush fires.

In 2009, most of the remaining old-growth Mountain Ash, was killed by bushfires. What is Premier Dan going to do to stop the allegedly protected, "rare and precious old-growth" being incinerated by a less than competent environment minister?

"By 2030, Victoria will be home to an area of native forest protected from logging that is larger than the entire land mass of Tasmania." Heads up Premier Dan, at the rate of devastation of forest and biodiversity Victorian Labor governments have set over the last 17 years, there will be very little of the "habitat of our rarest native species" left.
Posted by SOFs, Monday, 18 November 2019 8:21:56 PM
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Nowadays, they're doing to the ground what they used to do to the forrests, simply tear it all up !
Posted by individual, Thursday, 21 November 2019 6:22:45 AM
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