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By Malcolm King, published 4/11/2019Advocates of identity politics are demanding that white writers stop creating fictional characters who are different from their own race, gender or sexual orientation.
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Posted by ttbn, Monday, 4 November 2019 8:17:54 AM
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Well called. I am not a fan of D Marr, but commend him for his principled threat to resign. When you hear of this sort of "special case censorship" it only reminds us of the authoritarian nature of the so called socially and culturally aware lefties who try to constrain free thought and speech.
Posted by Alison Jane, Monday, 4 November 2019 8:31:16 AM
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This is a combination of reverse apartheid, political correctness on steroids and gone mad, reverse racism!
I mean should all the harry potter stories be eliminated because A.C.Rowling wasn't a magician!? Or wasn't a boy, a male? There's is a reason we call fiction, fiction! Should those who wrote star wars and star trek be censored on the grounds they were neither Aliens nor astronauts nor from an unimaginable future!? And how about humanoids? Robots? Well, the latter role could be filled by some of the racially acquiescing publishers? This stuff belongs in the asylum and is clearly a case of the inmates now in charge and running the madhouse! And because a very small group are not able to deal with the past like normal rational human beings! And clearly with egos large enough to be a danger to shipping? Tell these stuffed shirts to go visit the nearest taxidermist! Alan B. Posted by Alan B., Monday, 4 November 2019 8:55:45 AM
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ttbn: D Marr is clearly one of your so-called lefties and along with others on the left, out in front of the enraged protest condemning this attack on the freedom to THINK.
You and your (coal-fired) lot are now so far to the authoritarian right anyone in the moderate middle or very slightly to the right is now described by you and your totally intolerant cohort as lefties! And as far as it goes, I believe, no more rational than the loony tunes now running reverse racist, publishing houses! Alan B. Posted by Alan B., Monday, 4 November 2019 9:06:44 AM
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Dear Alan B.
Haven't homosexual male actors been playing straight roles in live theatre, TV & movies for over a century? Isn't this cultural appropriation? Maybe D Marr is just protecting his own patch from attack. Haven't EVERYBODY on the left been been telling the proletariat what to think without asking them anything about anything? Posted by imacentristmoderate, Monday, 4 November 2019 9:32:03 AM
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no wonder so many blacks have turned to Trump. This putried identity politics is all the deviant democrats can talk about. I wonder of Labour have learned something although with the likes of Keneally I doubt it.
Posted by runner, Monday, 4 November 2019 12:14:22 PM
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So what about half casts ? ha there is a phase to stir up the trendies.
Does it mean they cannot write about whites or blacks ? Or does it mean they can write about half of each ? What about a white man who says he identifies as a black woman ? Who can he write about ? This mad subject is not even worth discussing. Academics who discuss it should be sacked for wasting time. Posted by Bazz, Monday, 4 November 2019 1:01:04 PM
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1. Identities overlap.
2. Identities inevitably conflict with each other, at some point. 3. There is no perfect world. 4. Cultural practices are manifestly not equal: is Nazi culture equal to, say, the recent Kurdish cultural practice of dying for a good cause ? Are two societies equal, in one of which it is proper and mandatory for a man to kill or maim his wife or child if they disobey him, but not so in another ? Are there any cultural practices, dear reader, which YOU find abhorrent, such as forcible sex in marriage ? Should women walk three paces behind their ruling man (father, brother, husband) ? Is genital mutilation generally acceptable ? Let's move on from this idiocy. Joe Posted by Loudmouth, Monday, 4 November 2019 1:33:58 PM
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5. Dickens, Shakespeare, Virginia Woolfe, Margaret Atwood, Chekhov, Goethe, etc., etc., wrote about characters which they did not fully resemble - men write about women, women write about men. Historical novels are about people in different times and societies, so living writers shouldn't write about people in those different times ? Wow, there goes 'Othello' and 'The Merchant of Venice'.
6. So Black writers, such as James Baldwin , E. R. Braithwaite ('To Sir With Love'), Chinua Achebe, Alice Walker, etc., etc. can't depict non-Black characters ? Amy Tan can write only about Chinese characters ? Kath Walker shouldn't have mentioned whitefellas in any of her poems ? V. S. Naipaul and Salman Rushdie can write only about Indian or Pakistani characters ? Too stupid to waste time on. Joe Posted by Loudmouth, Monday, 4 November 2019 1:43:36 PM
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Elizabeth Warren was happy to take the place of a native Indian in college. I mean she was 1/1024th native Indian. The more degrees the unis dish out the dumber we become.
Posted by runner, Monday, 4 November 2019 2:20:55 PM
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Everyone's a critic. As long as they don't actually stop you from being able to write as you see fit, then take it for what it is and no more. You can't please everyone. Some times the critics have merit. Often they have nothing more then different tastes. Unless the literary judge is an actual judge, none of this matters more then then someone complaining about the "in thing" to complain about. Apparently that in thing is to drive standards against diverse stories because they don't like the details of the writers. (Not the details of the story).
The critism has no merit, so move on. Write anyways. Posted by Not_Now.Soon, Monday, 4 November 2019 4:34:02 PM
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The whole worlds full of crap.
You get people being censored for their online speech everywhere; Yet you can still watch good old KKK favourites on YouTube such as: Johnny Rebel 'Who Likes a N*gger' http://youtu.be/AQlBRGEemtw And 'Some N*ggers Never Die" http://youtu.be/O17yg_Qci5Q They're perfectly fine. The US screams to the world about it's democratic values; - But has no problem stealing $45 million dollars worth of oil a month from Syrian kids futures. “We’re keeping the oil,” Trump said during a speech to police officers in Chicago. “Remember that, I’ve always said that. Keep the oil. We want to keep the oil — $45 million a month — keep the oil. We’ve secured the oil.” http://time.com/5712844/pentagon-syria-oil-fields-islamic-state-trump/ I repeat: The whole worlds full of crap. Posted by Armchair Critic, Monday, 4 November 2019 7:59:23 PM
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"Advocates of identity politics are demanding that white writers stop creating fictional characters who are different from their own race, gender or sexual orientation." Obviously the next move in the goalpost-shifting leftist creeping agenda will be the relatively small jump which takes this idea from applying only to 'fiction' to also applying to 'non-fiction' as well; - Once you get used to this first baby step of course It will create a larger blanket of 'news censorship' where only 'qualified and approved people' will have the privilege to speak to the masses on certain topics'. Take these articles: Islamic State supporter not required to undergo deradicalisation, lawyer says http://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-11-01/islamic-state-supporter-not-required-to-undergo-deradicalisation/11662712 Do you think a girl by the name of 'Claire Campbell' will be allowed to report on a story regarding female Muslim member of Islamic State? The writer is not a Muslim or immigrant so will not be allowed to comment on a story where the accused is a Muslim or possibly an immigrant. Police to review policies as footage emerges of bikie attacking child sex offender in watch house http://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-11-05/cctv-footage-surfaces-of-bikie-bashing-child-sex-offender/11671574 Again, the writer 'Camron Slessor' is not a Muslim or immigrant so will not be allowed to comment on the story where the victim is a Muslim or possibly an immigrant. It just removes the legitimacy over who is and who isn't allowed to tell you things, thus forcing you to rely on the approved opinion givers that are 'permitted' or 'authorised' to do so. FYI, the articles chosen here were to again show how the whole world is totally full of crap. Article 1: Will the admitted female IS member who was acquitted now move to sue for wrongful imprisonment? Article 2: Will the Muslim who raped 10 year old girl in public toilet multiple times now be awarded some sort of deal or sympathy for not being protected by others in the showers? - Going further with the baby-steps of that particular agenda: Pedophiles call for same rights as homosexuals http://www.thenigerianvoice.com/movie/120206/pedophiles-call-for-same-rights-as-homosexuals.html TEDx speaker argues that pedophilia should be accepted as 'an unchangeable sexual orientation' http://www.metroweekly.com/2018/07/tedx-speaker-argues-that-pedophilia-should-be-accepted-as-an-unchangeable-sexual-orientation/ Posted by Armchair Critic, Tuesday, 5 November 2019 8:47:37 PM
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I suppose equality and the new non-dominant privilege inevitably conflict. Which is to prevail ? Privilege for some but not others ? Or privilege for nobody - anybody can write about anything ?
Or, taken to its absurd conclusion, would the non-Gramscian principle of equal rights instead require that a non-white person can't write about white people ? Women (etc.) can't write about men (etc.) ? Somebody born since, World War II, can't write about anything or anybody before the War ? Or does this sound just too ridiculous ? Eventually, nobody can write about anything but themselves ? Or read either - and therefore, the prohibition against reading anything except what they themselves have written ? i.e. about themselves ? Too loony. Joe Posted by Loudmouth, Saturday, 9 November 2019 10:29:15 AM
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Then in the UK a man applied for a job advertised for a woman.
He said I identify as a woman and he got the job. Some time later another woman employee complained he lived as a man. coaching boys football and drinking with the dads. Called into bosses office he stated, I identify as a woman 9am to 5pm Mon to Friday. He kept the job. You see the UK has gone quite mad since they bent over backwards to accept the moslem's sharia requirements, logic went out the window. Posted by Bazz, Saturday, 9 November 2019 5:25:56 PM
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Bazz,
So, conflict between men and women ? Between men who claim to be women, and women ? Absolutely crazy. Gramscianism in action, marching through the institutions of society. Joe Posted by Loudmouth, Saturday, 9 November 2019 5:30:49 PM
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All we can hope for is that the minds of these people will become so twisted with hate and frenzy that they will need to be locked away in a suitable institution, and out of our hair.