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Don't mention the K word : Comments

By Sasha Uzunov, published 17/10/2019

Playing the Kurdish card by the US has been strategically useful in taking down the Saddam Hussein regime in 2003 and in combating ISIS in Syria.

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Here is indomitable proof, the whole Middle East debacle is run on a full tank of "monkey brain"; and proof positive, Trump has made a wise decision to pull the pin.

Dan
Posted by diver dan, Thursday, 17 October 2019 8:30:12 AM
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Hi Dan,

So, that's how it works, does it ? The Yanks start something, then piss off when the going gets a bit tough ? They raise the hopes of people who have been suffering oppression, get them to sacrifice their lives against both Saddam and ISIS, then shoots through ?

The 'art of the deal', ay ? So the blood of how many Kurds will be on Trump's hands ? What an utter mongrel.

And so now Russia is the mediating power in the Middle East while Iran will come to control all the territory from Afghanistan up to the borders of Israel. The influence of the US is confined to the corrupt and incompetent Saudis. What an achievement.

Joe
Posted by Loudmouth, Thursday, 17 October 2019 9:17:26 AM
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Nobody is claiming the Christian and or Muslim Kurds are angels! They have a history of centuries of war and dispossession of their homeland.

The land they fight for is was and remains their annexed homeland. The Turkish Blue Mosque in Istanbul was once a vast Orthodox Christian cathedral! Taken by the invading Muslims as they annexed territory. And in a history nearly as old as Israel's.

Yes, there has been unrelenting resistance, wars and bloodletting by all sides in the conflict!

However, there had been a peace treaty, some Kurd autonomy and self-determination. So much so that the Kurd gave up the fight with weapons and sent their political party into the electoral contest!

And were so successful, they threaten Erdogan's very tenuous hold on power. So, then there was the alleged bombing by alleged Kurd freedom fighters/alleged terrorists!

And an outcome that benefitted Erdogan's reelection prospects enormously! Rumours abound that Erdogan was involved and the principal planner of the bombing?

[ And history would seem to support that analysis and strongly suggests a man who will do or say anything to cling to power!?]

And a huge benefit to him politically as he has tried by various means to further entrench himself as the new Emporer of a new Ottoman empire and the centre of the Muslim world with him presiding over a new Muslim caliphate?

Nobody is claiming the Kurd are angels! But clearly not the devils Erdogan and others are trying to paint them as!

At another time in history, other megalomaniacs found it very convenient to prey on and blame ethenic minorities for a whole host of economic woes and the gullible public, Germans Turks and more recently, American rednecks have to a generic man, swallowed this BS!

Isn't it quite amazing how history tends to repeat itself all-around an increasingly troubled world!?
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Thursday, 17 October 2019 9:34:14 AM
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Trump is keeping another of his election promises. And don't the dishonest people who vote for dishonest politicians hate it! Honesty and integrity is anathema to them.
Posted by ttbn, Thursday, 17 October 2019 9:35:12 AM
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Ttbn,

A promise to leave allies of the US in the lurch ? What an utter stinking turd Trump is. What he will do to protect his Istanbul Trump Twin Towers.

The Kurds seem to have rarely ever been aggressive towards any other population in their five thousand years in (more or less) that region:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Kurds

As for the Kurds not flying in great numbers to Normandy in 1944, they WERE involved in fighting against the fascist coup in Iraq in 1941 and liberating the country late that year.

You know, a few months before the US got involved in the Second World War.

Utterly untrustworthy 'allies'.

So who's next ?

Jo
Posted by Loudmouth, Thursday, 17 October 2019 10:16:39 AM
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Uncle Joe

I'll retire you from the war office. Your now emotionally involved in difficult outcomes of war.

Dan
Posted by diver dan, Thursday, 17 October 2019 12:33:42 PM
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Dan,

Well, yes, it's called 'humanitarian concern'. The Trump Admiration Society could do with some of it.

I wonder what happened to the Good Samaritan, eventually ? You know, the one in the Bible ? Probably got sold as a slave.

Joe
Posted by Loudmouth, Thursday, 17 October 2019 1:14:09 PM
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Dear uncle Joe.

But I make a good point. I had noticed the logic behind the notion of US withdrawal, was that the Kurds were seen as contractors to the US. They were paid handsomely for their involvement.
Now the contract is over. It's as simple as that.

But on the other hand as well, what foreign government backs a separatist movement past its use-by date?
There are also more urgent and pressing issues for the US with Iran, without expanding on those obvious events.

There are also a vast array of seldom mentioned issues, which include Chinese encroachment into ME oil.
And not forgetting the buried narrative of the YPS-Jin. The majority cry against the withdrawal of a paltry thousand US troops, comes from the Eco chambers of the feminist movement.

Dan.
Posted by diver dan, Thursday, 17 October 2019 8:29:05 PM
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Critics of US President Donald Trump have branded a letter he sent to Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan as "juvenile" and "irresponsible" diplomacy.
The above is from an SBS News clip.
What these parasites call irresponsible diplomacy is nothing more than a move away from the standard conventional diplomacy of sitting on hands & not getting things sorted out !
Trump realised long before his Presidency that conventional politics were a perpetual failure & so he's grabbing the bull by the horns & by that he's exposing these failures on massive taxpayers salaries for nothing more than just more of the same. They're the cause of so much misery & Trump gets ridiculed for actually working on sorting it all out !
Talk about Sickos !
Posted by individual, Thursday, 17 October 2019 9:28:25 PM
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Looks like there's at least a ceasefire for the moment which wouldn't have happened if not for Trump's "irresponsible" letter.
The sit-on-their-hands Diplomats just watched while people were displaced in extreme danger.
So much for conventional Diplomacy !
Posted by individual, Friday, 18 October 2019 8:11:49 AM
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Looks like the Turks are thinking about going for it again. Trump's fault again as per usual I suppose ?
Posted by individual, Sunday, 20 October 2019 7:37:57 PM
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What should be the UN's role in this ? Aren't they supposed to provide forces ? Why is it always expected America should sort it out ? Get the UN to do their job for once !
Posted by individual, Monday, 21 October 2019 7:32:10 AM
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Individual,

Then don't go in, if you can't see it through.

I've been trying to find any evidence of Kurdish aggression against other countries or regions in the past. Yes, Saladin (Salah-ud-Din) was a Kurd, born in Tikrit, present-day central Iraq (where Saddam was born too). He fought against the Crusaders.

And that seems to be about it.

For a slime like Trump, they were ideal for betraying, without any payback for him or the US. Anyway, they were just sluts in his view, fighting only in return for payment. For Trump, the world is full of sluts - pay them and they'll do whatever you want. Like his grandfather: the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

Who's next ?

Joe
Posted by Loudmouth, Tuesday, 22 October 2019 7:54:24 AM
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Loudmouth,
Irrelevant reply to my query, why doesn't the UN go & help the Kurds ? Isn't that what they get Billions for ?

Let the US recover from all that War spending for others !
Posted by individual, Tuesday, 22 October 2019 6:20:04 PM
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"Playing the Kurdish card by the US has been strategically useful in taking down the Saddam Hussein regime in 2003 and in combating ISIS in Syria."

American General Explains Rebranding the YPG Away From the PKK
http://youtu.be/kVZCIel_2Xw

You all do realise there's better places to get your news other than the corporate media right?

Try This:

US Stays In Syria, Kurds Call On Israel To Attack Turkey & US Says Israel Has 'Right' To Attack Iran
http://youtu.be/3abkXcsXkwY

Syrian Kurdish military official calls on Israel to take action against Turkey
http://www.timesofisrael.com/syrian-kurdish-military-official-calls-on-israel-to-take-action-against-turkey/
An official in the Syrian Democratic Forces called on Israel on Monday to take action against Turkey’s military incursion into northern Syria.

Turkey Threatens Damascus Government With Declaration Of Full-Scale War
http://southfront.org/turkey-threatens-damascus-government-with-declaration-of-full-scale-war/
“If the Syrian regime [the Assad government] wants to enter Manbij, Ayn al-Arab and Qamishli to provide protection for the Kurdish People’s Protection Units [YPG], that will be viewed by Turkey as the declaration of war and it [Damascus] will face a relevant response,” the Turkish presidential adviser said.

Pompeo Tells Israel It Has "Fundamental Right" To Attack Iranian Targets In The Region
http://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/pompeo-tells-israel-it-has-fundamental-right-attack-iranian-targets-self-defense
The interview followed a two hour meeting with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Mossad chief Yossi Cohen on Friday morning. Netanyahu has long urged Washington to stay the course in Syria, rather than allow Assad and the Syrian Army to retake the country.

And here's the bloke that tried to expose US government wrongdoing that has never been denied or prosecuted.
It looks like they've done a good number on him.

‘I can’t think properly’: Assange disoriented as court rejects delay for extradition proceedings
http://www.rt.com/uk/471425-assange-court-hearing-us-extradition/
Today in court, Julian Assange struggled to say his own name and date of birth as he appeared in the dock. He claimed to have not understood what happened in the case management hearing, and was holding back tears as he said: "I can't think properly".
Posted by Armchair Critic, Tuesday, 22 October 2019 7:57:37 PM
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Individual,

Why isn't the UN involved in support of the abandoned Kurds ? Well, which countries ? The Kurds are not Arabs or Turks or Persians, they're geographically one of those in-between groups whose territories those other powers have always coveted. The Kurds are not European or Chinese or Indian or African; they are usually not Christian or Jewish, although there are Christian and Jewish minorities within the Kurdish population.

So who will speak up for them ? The US has betrayed them, and its allies will effectively follow suit.

So they are at the mercy of all of their hostile neighbours. Intriguingly, they don't seem to have ever launched wars of aggression against those neighbours, although their neighbours have done just that to them, over thousands of years.

In fact, just to inform that half-wit Trump, in relation to the war between the Turks and the Kurds: it has been the Turks who have aggressed countless times against its neighbours - in the last couple of hundred years, against Greece, Bulgaria, Rumania, Russia, Serbia, not to mention its imperialist activities across much of the Arab world. There are hundreds of years of wars between Turkey (i.e. the Ottomans) and Persia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman%E2%80%93Persian_Wars

But the Kurds ? Pretty much nothing. Yes, they fought on the British side in the Anglo-Iraqi war in 1941, before the Yanks got involved in WW II. But there seems to be no evidence of Kurdish aggression against any of their neighbours. None.

The Kurds have been the most socially-advanced society in the Middle East, especially in terms of protection for minorities like the Yazidis (remember the Yazidis ?) and women's rights.

So now they have been abandoned to the Turks, who will ethnically cleanse those Kurdish lands and settle Arabs. Imagine, hypothetically, if Indonesia invaded northern Australia, and expelled the entire local population in order to settle a million Indonesians. Would we sit back and let that happen ? And could we rely on the US under that mongrel Trump for any help at all ?

Joe
Posted by Loudmouth, Wednesday, 23 October 2019 9:51:48 AM
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Why isn't the UN involved in support of the abandoned Kurds ?
Loudmouth,
Yes, why doesn't the UN do its job ? Isn't it the UN's job to help people in need or are they just there to sit on their hands & wait for America to foot the bill again ? What other countries do you think should help ?
Posted by individual, Wednesday, 23 October 2019 9:07:18 PM
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