runner,
Considering the lies Trump's told, why don't you think he deserves contempt?
Have you forgotten that Christians are meant to be on the side of truth?

And I noticed your failure to answer Foxy's question: do you even know what socialism is?

What's your definition of socialism?
And what is it that you think made Australia the envy of the world?

'What's your definition of socialism?'

the ideology the abc has been pushing for decades. Can you name one successful socialist country Aiden. I am sure you can find millions killed by the ideology if you were interested only slightly in the truth.

You also ask

'And what is it that you think made Australia the envy of the world?'

You mean to tell me that the millions who want to and have come here hate the place? You really have no idea Aiden. Its a pity the socialist who continually poop on the West don't just leave. Problem is the countries that have adopted socialist ideology like Venezuala are not very liveable.

You didn't answer the question, Runner.

So again: what do you think socialists believe?

And what do you think socialists want?

do you even know what socialism is?
Aidan,
Of course we know, it's the system where you reward the non-performers & persecute the undeserving & eventually run out of other peoples' money !

runner,
If your definition of socialism is "the ideology the abc has been pushing for decades" then I can't really identify any socialist country, successful or otherwise.

I do know, though, that Venezuela ISN'T socialist by that definition.

>You mean to tell me that the millions who want to and have come here hate the place?
No, your comprehension is atrocious! I didn't ask you why you regard Australia as the envy of the world; I asked you what you thought made it that way.

Socialists support the welfare state but that does not define socialism. Catholic Centrists also supported welfare and trade unions. A lot of people also distinguish between socialism and social democracy ; that makes sense in some contexts ; but personally I consider myself supportive of the original (radical) social democracy. There was a time when the Liberal Party (along with the DLP) supported welfare and wage arbitration. And so too did a lot of ideological liberals. So what we have here is the branding of anyone to the Left of Ayn Rand as 'socialist'. Personally as a socialist I also support a democratic economy and the fight against exploitation. Ideally I want to see a larger public sector and a radical expansion of co-operatives ; as well as a role for collective capital mobilisation and co-determination. (ie: workers represented on company boards) But we live in the 'real world' of global capitalism and intelligent socialists have to account for that. And there's no clear, immediate 'way out' without hurting the very people you're trying to help. But anyway - the whole point is that it's not only socialists who oppose neo-liberalism. Centre-Left self-identifying social democrats, old school centrists, small 'l' liberals - are critical also. Not everything to the Left and Rand and Hayek is 'socialist'.