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Hatred, intolerance, malevolence and misguided Islamic piety : Comments

By Laurence Maher, published 9/8/2019

On 25 November 2016, two young men, Ahmed Mohamed and Abdullah Chaarani, deliberately set fire to a mosque, the Imam Ali Islamic Centre.

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Hatred, intolerance, malevolence honour killings, forced marriage, child brides and rape in marriage? When has this not been so in some Islamic communities? Piety!?

One could add in ritual beheadings, suicide bombers, the ritualistic persecution of Christian minorities and dictatorial Butchers without qualms or conscience, committing genocide on a hitherto unknown scale and against their own! Islamic piety!?

And normalized with endless desensitizing, generational practice!
And dare one say, a populous wide Stockholm syndrome!?
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Friday, 9 August 2019 12:23:22 PM
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You don't give up Lawrence!

This is the usual biased garbage which attempts to extend his paranoid view of Islam onto fair minded and thinking people like myself. I don't hold with it, and probably because I actually experience the results of his, and , galloping not too far behind him, the official nazi reaction of Government, towards ALL that is Muslim.

The persecution in this country of the Muslim minority, by the baying hounds of insensitivity, such as Lawrence, are a Trojan horse hiding a true intent to pick-off all religion.
And on reading his lines carefully, one notices a less than oblique snipe at Christians opposed to secular ideology, implied but not mentioned, obviously their opposition to the plunder of our society by the gay rights terrorists.

The more Muslims in this country the better, to oppose the unopposed march of the true terrorists among us; the God-Father of which dictates it's disgusting evil from the board room of Qantas.

Dan
Posted by diver dan, Friday, 9 August 2019 12:33:19 PM
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The author canNot be excused for his pompous prose masking anti-Muslim racism.

In terms of "very successful de facto censorship of public debate" the officially unmentionable "Christian" terrorist's murder of Muslims in Christchurch far outnumbers all those killed by Muslim terrorists

in Australia AND in New Zealand.

OLO awaits the author writing about the Balkan Christian hatreds (and money?) which may have part motivated/facilitated the Christchurch Christian terrorist's actions...
Posted by plantagenet, Friday, 9 August 2019 1:57:33 PM
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I suspect that the likes of the abc first reported this as a white hate crime. That might be why we have not heard much about it. I might be wrong but it would be consistant with the Trump hating lying liberal media.
Posted by runner, Friday, 9 August 2019 2:19:27 PM
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Hi runner

It may also be to do with Australian agencies advising that Sunni-Shiite hatreds (from a very small proportion of Sunnis and Shiites) should not be stoked.

Otherwise higher levels of inter-Muslim violence in Australia would occur. That is something law enforcement agencies, and I dare say genuine Jews and Christians, would want to avoid.

Cheers
Posted by plantagenet, Friday, 9 August 2019 2:41:46 PM
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'It may also be to do with Australian agencies advising that Sunni-Shiite hatreds (from a very small proportion of Sunnis and Shiites) should not be stoked.'

plantagenet

you probably have a point plantagenet but it shows you also that the Government has totally failed by letting people with ideologies prone to violence in. We have enough antifas of our own without bringing in more terrorist.
Posted by runner, Friday, 9 August 2019 2:48:24 PM
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Yes runner.

Certainly Australian Governments, since 1788, made a mistake in letting the most violent ideologies in. I speak of course about:

1. UK and European Organised Crime, from 1788 till now, who kill business rivals and those who don't pay protection money,

and more significantly

2. Mainly British + Irish heritage Violent MALES, since 1788, who kill the Wives and Girlfriends they believe they OWN. Follow-on MALES of non-British + Irish heritage are also killing "THEIR" woman at a disturbing rate.

Avagudweekend
Posted by plantagenet, Friday, 9 August 2019 3:33:15 PM
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The royal established Church of England sent convicts down-under at His Majesty's pleasure.
Hindu hell for bad guys is described as located in the south of the universe and beneath the earth, evidently Australia. The nice , quiet Buddhists have hell of hundreds of millions to sextillions (1021) of years.
This explains the extremist toxin of Aussie snakes , spiders, octopus, stone-fish and green ants. Platypus venom can kill dogs. Islam has 7 levels of hell with the worst.. . down under. An eternity of listening to Canberra's parliament question-time is purgatory proving what all these people have been saying .
Posted by nicknamenick, Friday, 9 August 2019 3:40:09 PM
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'Mainly British + Irish heritage Violent MALES, since 1788, who kill the Wives and Girlfriends they believe they OWN. Follow-on MALES of non-British + Irish heritage are also killing "THEIR" woman at a disturbing rate.'

plantagenet

and you have obviously had a little amnesia when looking at the violence against indigeneous women today by their men folk. Murders are very common. Rather dig back a couple of hundred years than face today's reality eh plantagenet

and may u also have a good weekend
Posted by runner, Friday, 9 August 2019 3:43:36 PM
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Yes aboriginals as well, runner.

A great day for the NSW Parliament Lower House giving woman more choice over their bodies http://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/news/loud-cheers-as-abortion-bill-passes-nsw-lower-house/news-story/f36bd88491c61e698bede859d10f0554

Violent Anti-Abortion extremists are also on the law enforcement watch list.
Posted by plantagenet, Friday, 9 August 2019 5:10:35 PM
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yeah lovely plantagenet,. Brave and courageous stopping the heartbeat of little children. Enjoy your celebration and make sure you virtue signal about how moral your causes are.
Posted by runner, Friday, 9 August 2019 7:16:35 PM
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Gee, some misguided getting a good run right now !
Posted by individual, Friday, 9 August 2019 8:44:00 PM
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White supremacists and extreme right-wing elements, one and the same? Have a record of terror killing that's only rivalled by Islamic terrorism.

And they (radicalised white supremacists and radicalized Islamic terrorists) have formed a symbiotic relationship, with tit for tat killings. Always their targets are those who are different, practise a different religion, have a different skin colour, etc etc. They are in truth, two sides of the same (hate-motivated) coin

Are like runner and to a slightly lesser extent, (alias, nicknamednick) Diver, pedantic (hot button-pushers) absolutionists!? For who evidence to the contrary is simply ignored or labelled fake?

Those that take the lives of innocents as in the recent mass shootings have no place in Paradise, nor those whose intemperate language pushes the buttons of these mad (Psyco nut jobs) killers!

Those who effectively load the gun, just a guilty as the madman squeezing the trigger!
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Saturday, 10 August 2019 11:07:18 AM
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Despite all the waffle here the fact remains that muslims are required
to obey Allah's instructions in the Koran to kill all jews and all
unbelievers wherever you find them.
They, the muslims will not deny those commands in the Koran on pain of death.
That means they are required to kill you and me, no ifs no buts about it.
That is WHY you have seen those murders in Australia and elsewhere.
You can't wish it away by calling Islam a Religion of Peace, because
it is not, it is a religion of war until all people on earth are muslims.
You can waffle all you like but you cannot change that fundamental truth.
Posted by Bazz, Saturday, 10 August 2019 2:41:05 PM
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You can waffle all you like but you cannot change that fundamental truth.
Bazz,
Nothing more can be said. If that's not sinking in, nothing will ! Even some Europeans still refuse to see. Thanks to sociologists the Westerner mentality is now so far down the shute that really only a war can make people wake up !
Posted by individual, Saturday, 10 August 2019 7:09:43 PM
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Hi Alan B.

You might be right re: "(radicalised white supremacists and radicalized Islamic terrorists) have formed a symbiotic relationship"

And it just so happens Nick O'Malley at Sydney Morning Herald has just published an article along those lines:

See "Extremists feed off each other to recruit and spread their propaganda" 10 August 2019 http://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/extremists-feed-off-each-other-to-recruit-and-spread-their-propaganda-20190809-p52fmw.html

Regards
Posted by plantagenet, Saturday, 10 August 2019 7:29:46 PM
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Thanks for that Pete, but haven't read a paper for yonks. It just shows to go that great minds think alike or that fools seldom differ.

Christian ethos commands of us that we tweet others as we would be tweeted.

You have a delightful weekend and don't do anything I wouldn't.
Cheers, Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Sunday, 11 August 2019 10:29:14 AM
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The importation of Muslims into Australia has seen these benefits.

Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews stating publically that "terrorism is now part of contemporary Australia."

Australian citizens being shot down or knifed on streets and in coffee shops by "contemporary" Muslim terrorists.

"Diversity bollards" all over our cities to prevent Australian citizens from being mass murdered by cars and trucks driven by "contemporary" Muslim terrorists.

Australian soldiers, SES volunteers, ambulance personnel, and Fire Brigade officers advised to not wear their uniforms while not on duty, to minimise the risk of being attacked and even beheaded by "contemporary" Muslim terrorists.

Girls in bikinis on Sydney beaches having to put up with gangs of "contemporary" Muslim men wandering around the beaches making offensive remarks to them.

70 Australian girls gang raped by "contemporary" Muslim race hate rape packs in Sydney, at the time of the 2000 Sydney Olympics.

Public meetings of Muslim organisations enforcing gender segregation.

"Muslim only" days at public swimming pools enforcing gender segregation and racism against Australians within the Australian's own country.

Australia needing to change our own laws to allow the RAAF to drop bombs on "contemporary""Australian" citizens fighting for ISIS in Iraq and Syria.

500 "Australian" Muslims so far prevented from sneaking out of the country to go on jihad and fight for ISIS, with the "moderate" Islamic Council of Australia letting slip that "thousands more want to go".

60 men in jail for terrorism offences, all of them Muslims.

White flight from multiculturalism causing monoculturalism within Australian city suburbs through ethnic ghettoisation. The overseas experience of this ongoing trend is that some of these ethnic enclaves will eventually turn into high crime, high welfare dependency No Go areas for the non ethnic majority in their own country.

Machines in even regional airports which see right through passengers clothing in order to prevent Muslim terrorists with bombs in their underpants, or in Barbie dolls or meat grinders, from blowing airliners out of the sky.

Former Muslim Imam Sheik al Hilaly demanding "Muslim only" seats in the NSW state Parliament
Posted by LEGO, Sunday, 11 August 2019 11:48:09 AM
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Continued.

Armed guards outside of newspaper offices and Jewish schools. The fortification of every vital government department with steel gates, diversity bollards, and armed security guards.

Demands from the "moderate" Australian Islamic Council for Sharia Law and for exemptions for Muslims from voting, as democracy is "against Islam."

The elected head of the "moderate" Australian Islamic Council telling Prime Minister Turnbull at a social dinner that homosexuals should be executed.

Demands by "moderate" Muslims and their AIC leaders for social exclusion in swimming pools, gender segregation in schools, and Muslim exemptions from the common law.

Specialist medical teams in Canterbury, Bankstown, and Fairfield hospitals to treat the consequences of female genital mutilation.

The "Muslim" suburb of Auburn now the recognised wife beating capitol of Australia.

Child brides, forced marriages, and "honour" killings.

Attacks on churches, synagogues, and even mosques by Muslims.

The refusal by Muslim drivers to allow blind people with seeing eye dogs or passengers carrying alcohol to enter their cabs. An endless series of sexual assaults on lone female passengers in taxi cabs by Muslim drivers.

Six Sydney schools in the "troubled" (a NSW Education Department euphemism for "high incidence of Muslim students") Southwest of Sydney now have permanent security guards to protect teachers and students from violent students and parents. Relief teachers refusing to work in these "troubled" schools. High turnover rates of new teachers.

Private school student numbers soaring as parents in Muslim areas protect their kids by getting them away from public schools full of violent Muslims boys. Oddly enough, this trend is noticeable even within Green voting inner city "progressive" electorates, where parents publically support multiculturalism while privately keeping their own kids out of the high ethnic proportion public school.

The severe curtailment of our most cherished civil liberties through terrorism legislation. This includes habeas corpus, and search and seizure by police without a judicial warrant of any person's residence or motor vehicle. Severe curtailment of freedom of speech and freedom of the press through 18C, which is intended to prevent any criticism of privileged, protected minority groups
Posted by LEGO, Sunday, 11 August 2019 11:54:31 AM
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Thanks Alan B.

AvagudOne to.

Cheers

Pete
Posted by plantagenet, Sunday, 11 August 2019 2:13:21 PM
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Hiya LEGO

Bad news for your kind http://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-08-11/oslo-norway-mosque-shooting-eid/11403048

"A 20-year-old suspect carrying multiple guns is overpowered by a 75-year-old man at the mosque in Oslo which had upgraded security in the wake of the Christchurch terrorist attack..."

Oslo is the capital of Norway LEGO, a long way from your home in the US...
Posted by plantagenet, Sunday, 11 August 2019 5:40:33 PM
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Hi again LEGO

As its 4.55am in New York and 1.55am in LA.

I'm guessing you're asleep and won't respond for 3 hours or more?!

We'll see.

Cheers
Posted by plantagenet, Sunday, 11 August 2019 6:55:41 PM
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Lego.

Your as fixated on Muslims as I am fixated on homosexuals...do you want to dance?

Dan.
Posted by diver dan, Sunday, 11 August 2019 7:06:24 PM
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Plantagenet, the gunman in the Norwegian mosque was a member of that mosque.
Posted by Bazz, Sunday, 11 August 2019 10:23:21 PM
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Hi Bazz

Trump's KlanZmen and some OLOers(?) would see killing Muslims in a mosque as the main "benefit"

no matter the religion or ethnicity of the shooter.
Posted by plantagenet, Monday, 12 August 2019 12:39:35 AM
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To Plantagenet and Diver Dan.

You know when you are winning when you submit a couple of 350 word posts that completely destroys the Islamic apologists and their wacky conspiracy theories. And all they can come up with in reply are sneery one liners, which are totally inaccurate anyway.

Muslim immigration into Australia has been a social and economic catastrophe for this country, and you don't have to be a MENSA from the local Audubon society to figure that out. Even a couple of DENSA's like you pair should be able to summon up enough neuronal activity to understand that. But if all you have to support your bizarre opinions are fashionable slogans, then you are at a serious disadvantage when crossing swords with people who know how to think.

Just for the record, I live 600 metres from the Telopea railway station in Sydney. I am the bloke with the ENEMY OF THE ABC sticker on the back windshield of my silver Toyota Fortuna 4WD.
Posted by LEGO, Monday, 12 August 2019 5:01:11 AM
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Lego.

I don't dispute your list, but I do dispute your attempts to imply that Muslims are entirely about mayhem.
Are you saying there is no industry among them? They are as industrious as any other group of humans.
Apart from Qantas, who cares what Christians believe?
And apart from a few with your views, who cares what Muslims believe?

I rather like their stand on morality. That wins me over.
Try being an active homosexual among the group. Best of luck.
And I like that! So personally, I don't consider them the enemy.
But you do for your own reasons.

I think no-go zones are are good concept.

Aboriginals are masters at implementing no-go zones in mission areas.
Big signs prohibiting entry.
Police must liaise with elders prior to law enforcement..etc etc.

What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

Dan
Posted by diver dan, Monday, 12 August 2019 1:33:10 PM
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Aboriginals are masters at implementing no-go zones in mission areas.
Big signs prohibiting entry.
Police must liaise with elders prior to law enforcement..etc etc.
diver dan,
Who told you that ? Those restrictions were put in place by Labor State Govts. It's to not show the taxpayers where their money is being laundered by bureaucrats !
Posted by individual, Monday, 12 August 2019 4:14:52 PM
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Hiya LEGO

You failed the nationality test at http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=20445&page=0#360960

Which was:

"Hi again LEGO
As its 4.55am in New York and 1.55am in LA.
I'm guessing you're asleep and won't respond for 3 hours or more?!
We'll see.
Cheers"

LEGO, you responed 10 hours later at the suspect hour of 5am Sydney time, which was afternoon New York time.

Your http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=20445&page=0#360968
"I live 600 metres from the Telopea railway station in Sydney. I am the bloke with the ENEMY OF THE ABC sticker on the back windshield of my silver Toyota Fortuna 4WD."
is what, in the business, is called a thin "Cover" or "Legend" http://people.howstuffworks.com/spy1.htm

I could just as easily claim to be Special Forces at Fort Bragg.
___________________________________________________________

Here's another interesting article for your lot. http://www.smh.com.au/world/north-america/the-united-states-has-a-terrorism-problem-20190809-p52fl4.html of August 11, 2019:

"The United States has a terrorism problem, and it is doing vanishingly little to stop it.

...The current terror crisis, though, is not rooted in groups like IS or al-Qaeda, but in the white-power movement.

And as two of the three mass shootings in the US last week show, itís only growing in visibility and lethality.

The surge in white-power terrorism in the US became visible in 2015, when a white supremacist entered a black church and massacred nine worshippers.

The Charleston shooting was not the only mass shooting that year, nor was it the only hate crime. But it shocked and scarred the nation because it evoked some of the darkest periods of racist violence in the nationís history: peaceful, prayerful people gunned down by a young white man who held overtly white supremacist views..."

Regards
Posted by plantagenet, Monday, 12 August 2019 5:27:10 PM
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Diver Dan.

The Germans are nice people. The Japanese are nice people. The Russians are nice people. And the Chinese are nice people too, even though we are probably going to go to war with them soon. What all these nice people have in common is totalitarian governments who make their people do exactly as they are told, and these governments have the ability through their complete media control to lie to their people and portray the west as their enemies who seek their eradication.

Muslims are just like Nazis or communists. As a matter of fact, they are probably worse than the two competing socialist ideologies. Even Hitler, Stalin, and Mao did not believe in honour killings, child marriages, death for apostates, or genital mutilation. But one thing is certain, that if it is possible to condemn Nazis, Communists, One Nation supporters, Deplorables, and Christians by their group associations, then by what form of convoluted logic do you think it is impossible to do exactly the same thing to Muslims?

Take the mass murder shooting carried out by an Australian in that NZ mosque. Over and over we were told that his actions were a direct result of his nationalistic and patriotic beliefs. Even though to the best of my knowledge there exists no public written document among right wing groups which justifies the mass murder of Muslims. Yet you refuse to make the same connection with Islam, even though the Muslims own written scriptures obligate the faithful to use violence and terror to spread Islam.

The idea that Muslim radicals are a minority is a myth. Most Muslims believe exactly what the Koran says, and although they may not wish to go on Jihad themselves and become martyrs, they can not in all conscience criticise those that do.

That is why no "moderate" Islamic leader has ever condemned Islamic terrorism or ever will. It would be against their religion. A religion which is violent, backwards, approves of terrorism, and is the primary reason why Muslim states have never prospered in the modern world, and never will.
Posted by LEGO, Monday, 12 August 2019 6:42:26 PM
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To delusional Plantagenet.

I respond to posts when I have the time and I feel like it. It does not surprise me that you have another delusion that I am an American. You blokes get off on conspiracy theories, and trying to find something sinister, somewhere.

Now, on the subject of "white power movements" (whatever they are), could you please submit any quote from any identifiable "white power movement" in the USA or anywhere else, which instructs it's members to mass murder Muslims? You can't do that because nothing exists.

There does exist, however, the Koran and the Hadiths which directly instructs Muslims to kill, decapitate, crucify, and seriously disfigure non Muslims, especially pagans and Idol worshippers. And some of them are enthusiastically doing just as their God and Prophet has instructed. But you can't see anything wrong with the religion? Wow. You sure aren't looking very hard, are you? You would make a good Muslim, Plantagenet. All you need to do is BELIEVE and it answers everything.

Another very bad thing about the importation into western societies of this backward and dangerous death cult is the social division it is creating. Prior to large scale Islamic immigration into the west, almost all westerners knew nothing of Islam and were prepared to give this "religion" a fair go. But familiarity with this death cult has forced western people to come to terms with the fact that they have introduced a cancer into their own society. Of course, people like you and DD will never recognise it until you send your daughters to a Aria Grande concert one night and they come home either gang raped or in body bags.

The reason for your ability to completely ignore reality is simply narcissism. You have been convinced that the young, smart, rich, educated, and talented celebrity people that you admire so much and aspire to be considered a part of, believe in multiculturalism, and that is that. No need to apply objective thinking or reasoned logic. Who needs facts when delusions will suffice?
Posted by LEGO, Monday, 12 August 2019 7:09:04 PM
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Dear LEGO

Yee wilfully create Straw Men.

You already know that all of us at OLO consider "[narcissistic]...young, smart, rich, educated, and talented celebrity people" are scum.

Winston Churchill (half American...) was all of those things, wasn't he? http://www.quora.com/Was-Winston-Churchill-a-flawed-hero

Cheers
Posted by plantagenet, Monday, 12 August 2019 9:24:11 PM
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Lego.

This debate in reality, expresses a need for a politically sober view of religious intollerence.

All of your criticisms of Islam, could easily be applied to Jews, Christians, Buddhists in Burma, and onwards.
Most of your argument against Islam is misguided.

Right from the start, I'm a firm believer that Multiculturalism for "Joe ordinary citizen", is a failure.

It is confronting on too many levels (which I won't add here), to our own indigenous English culture, by offering special privileges to favoured foreign ethnicities, who assemble themselves in tight diasporas groups, forcing relocation on original inhabitants who are expected to accommodate the strangeness of the intruders.

But your argument wanders far away from anti-multiculturalism, when you pick-off these ethnic groups with an argument against them, based on religious intollerence; which is the centre plank of your reasoning.

I base my thinking and opinion on religious tollerence, and seperate it from the multicultural debate. Otherwise we end up with a right to argue with the voice of anti-semitism, for one obvious high profile topic.

It's the point your reasoning misunderstands.

Dan
Posted by diver dan, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 6:55:36 AM
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RIGHTWING EXTREMISM IN US, AUSTRALIA & NZ

An August 13, 2019 article reports http://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-08-13/national-counterterrorism-centre-warns-on-right-wing-terrorism/11407164

"The world has witnessed a number of right-wing extremist attacks this year, and a former director of America's National Counterterrorism Centre fears there will be more.

....Nick Rasmussen, who served under both Barack Obama and current President Donald Trump, has warned that right-wing extremism is becoming more prevalent.

"It is certainly the experience we are having in the United States right now and there are signs that this is happening in other countries," he told AM.

"Individuals who share these views, whether they are tied to white supremacy or anti-Semitism or some other hate-based ideology, are finding each other across the globe."

Mr Rasmussen...said the threat of right-wing extremist attacks was just as high as the threat of an attack by Islamic extremists.

...ASIO boss Duncan Lewis has previously confirmed that intelligence agencies are keeping an eye on right-wing extremism in Australia.

Asked about the threat during Senate Estimates in October last year, Mr Lewis said the problem was "coming off a very low base" but certainly re-emerging.

"I wouldn't say that it's a lot worse; they're probably a little bit better organised than they have been in the past, but we are monitoring this very, very closely," Mr Lewis said.

Mr Rasmussen said it was hard to judge the potential volume of right-wing terrorists in Australia, but pointed to what he described as a critical difference with the US.

"Australia has managed its gun control concerns much more effectively than the United States has, in my opinion," he said.

"Individuals who are so motivated in the United States don't have much difficulty in acquiring high powered weapons of war and thus they can inflict horrible violence in a brief period of time."...
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Inspired by "New Zealand mass shooting reignites debates on what constitutes a 'lone wolf' terrorist attack" March 20, 2019 http://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-03-20/lone-wolf-terrorists-are-not-always-ideologically-alone/10911606

People used to join extremist clubs eg. Hitler's Brownshirts or the Klan.

Nowadays lone wolves won't go to meetings, but be inspired by social media, particularly extremist websites.
Posted by plantagenet, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 7:54:13 AM
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To Diver Dan.

Your premise appears to be, that religious tolerance must be absolute. That sort of dumb thinking brought about the Tokyo Sarin gas attack where 6000 Japanese were gassed, 60 died, and a couple of hundred more blinded for life. The evidence was all there in plain view that the Aum cult was extremely dangerous but the Japanese police did absolutely nothing. That was because in Japan, traditionally, the Japanese police has always steered clear of religious matters. And in Japan, tradition is important.

In the USA, relatives of the people brainwashed by the "Reverend" Jimmy Jones appealed to the US government to do something about his religious movement which they had direct evidence was starving, beating, and sexually molesting it's members. It was because a small group of US Congressmen were concerned enough to put aside the usual warnings about religious freedom, and brave enough to take the warnings seriously and investigate, that Jones forced his followers to committed mass suicide by drinking poisoned Kool Aid.

Tolerance towards religions depends upon the concept that the religions simply preach good moral values which helps create social stability, and is comforting to many people. But this good principle must be re examined when confronted by religions who seek to expand through violence, seek to overthrow the state and enforce religious laws, create social instability and division, and propose the adoption of their own uncivilised moral values which are diametrically opposed to that of the civilised societies they wish to join.

The objective reality is that any religion which claims that women must conform to their concept of modesty and if they don't, they deserve to be raped, and if they are raped, it is all their own fault, is not the sort of religion we want in Australia. So too, Any religion that declares that apostates and homosexuals must be killed, that encourages it's followers to murder it's critics, declares democracy against it's principles, and believes in female genital mutilation, child brides, terrorism, and honour killings, should never have been allowed to immigrate into this peaceful and civilised land.
Posted by LEGO, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 8:09:31 AM
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Well, I suppose it's good that it's an actual crime and not a false flag hoax given the rise of victimhood culture;
Or is it? Maybe not who knows.

There's a common occurrence of anti-semitic hate crime hoaxes;
- Often spraying Nazi symbols around and blaming it on others to claim victimhood.

http://youtu.be/09QfugvCf9I
Posted by Armchair Critic, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 8:47:06 AM
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OK Plantagenet, let's talk about "right wing extremism.".

In the last ten years, around 200 people worldwide have been murdered by what could arguably be called "white nationalists." None in Australia. In the same period, around 100,000 people have been stoned to death, had their throats cut, been thrown off buildings, shot, drowned in cages, or been blown to bits by Muslim extremists. Six of them in Australia. So if you are trying to equate Islamic extremism with white nationalist extremism, the comparison does not fit.

If white nationalism is becoming more violent, what is the surprise there? We live in a country where white achievement is constantly belittled, our history fabricated by those who hate us and then taught to our children as fact, our elected politicians ignore our concerns over our changing demographics to chase the "immigrant vote", and where serious ethnic related crime, widespread welfare abuse and now terrorism is becoming more common.

The only thing now preventing the rise of more violent right wing extremism is the growth of anti immigrant parties in the western world that has shocked the long established political parties with their see-no-evil political consensus on non white immigration.

One of the most fundamental laws of human nature is that birds of a feather stick together and they don't like it when another group of birds invade their territory. This hostility is mitigated if the invading group has morals and values similar to that of the host populations. But where the minority group has values diametrically opposed to that of the host group some form of acceptance can be accommodated if the immigrant group does not try to get in the faces of the host group.

But when the immigrant group openly declares it's hostility to the host group and engages in anti social behaviour, especially attacking members of the host group, and the leaders of the immigrant group do not empathically disown and denounce their own violent members, then you can bet that some of the more hot headed of the host group will become violent towards the immigrant group.
Posted by LEGO, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 9:46:00 AM
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Hi LEGO

So what's your stats for Muslim terrorist murders vs White Supremicist terrorist murders (eg. Tarrant) in Australia and NZ, in the last 10 years?

I realise its a long way

from your good ol US of A.

Cheers
Posted by plantagenet, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 12:20:21 PM
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Planta, the figures for comparison have been assembled by various
people and in all cases the muslim atrocities are hundreds of times greater.
The last figure I saw was 30,000 for 2018. African causalities are
hard to get exactly as often whole villages are wiped out.
I think those African slaves that were taken to the Americas can be
grateful. At least their children ended up OK as the alternative would
have been to be sold to Arab slave traders and they would not have had
children as the Arabs castrated them as a matter of course.

Because European slaves got a higher price they did not castrate them
as they wanted them as breeding stock and wanted them to breed with
the European women slaves. Normal agricultural practise.
Breed from the best stock.
Posted by Bazz, Thursday, 15 August 2019 4:38:28 PM
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Hi Bazz

So what are your stats for Muslim terrorist murders vs White Supremicist terrorist murders (eg. Tarrant) in Australia and NZ, in the last 10 years?

Cheers
Posted by plantagenet, Thursday, 15 August 2019 5:11:06 PM
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most dangerous place in the world is in a mother's womb. Probably next most dangerous is where Islam is in high numbers. Secularism and Islam are both death cults.
Posted by runner, Thursday, 15 August 2019 6:38:08 PM
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