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Publishing stolen material: WikiLeaks, the DNC and freedom of speech : Comments

By Binoy Kampmark, published 2/8/2019

The case presented in the United States District Court of the Southern District of New York was never convincing but remains an aspect of a broader effort to inculpate WikiLeaks and Julian Assange in assisting the Trump campaign triumph.

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Pete,

I see that now I have debunked all of your fake evidence re Assange and the Russiagate fiasco you have shifted to slandering Snowden.

You seem to forget Snowdens’s data was published by the Guardian newspaper, doesn’t this make them the Russian stooge then?

All Snowden released were the blatant lies and criminal behaviour of the Pentagon and US government in spying illegally on the US population at large.

You would think your failure to address my fact based posts would be enough, but no, you then shift gears onto another conspiracy theory.

Don’t you appreciate freedom of a robust democracy, free press and the rule of law. Obviously not.

Put up or shut up.
Posted by Galen, Sunday, 4 August 2019 2:11:43 PM
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Well Galen, or should I say Binoy Kampmark

You'll just have to worship Julian less and think for youself.

Cheers

Pete
Posted by plantagenet, Sunday, 4 August 2019 4:17:50 PM
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Hmmm

"Galen"

having a special cache in the INDIAN and Pakistani Urdu (language)

and in Gujarati (an INDIAN language, region and ethic group) on the

INDIAN subcontinent?!
Posted by plantagenet, Sunday, 4 August 2019 4:35:47 PM
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Pete,

So you have failed to address any of my facts and now you resort to an Ad hominem attack, pretty poor.

Oh and I used the name Galen from here:

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galen

Galen of Pergamon was a Greek physician, surgeon and philosopher in the Roman Empire. Arguably the most accomplished of all medical researchers of antiquity, Galen influenced the development of various scientific disciplines, including anatomy, physiology, pathology, pharmacology, and neurology, as well as philosophy and logic.
Posted by Galen, Sunday, 4 August 2019 4:57:23 PM
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A useful source on the Assange thefts is Four Corners “Hero or Villain: The prosecution of Julian Assange (part 1)” Reported by Michael Brissenden, 22 July 2019. At http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/hero-or-villain:-the-prosecution-of-julian-assange/11336068 scroll down to “Transcript” at bottom left. Here are some excerpts:

"P.J. CROWLEY, U.S. ASSISTANT SECRETARY OF STATE FOR PUBLIC AFFAIRS, 2009–2011:
I don't see Julian Assange as this great crusader of transparency. I see him as a reckless narcissist.

P.J. CROWLEY, ASSISTANT SECRETARY OF STATE FOR PUBLIC AFFAIRS, 2009–2011:
I mean, just dumping hundreds of thousands of documents into the public space, that's not whistle-blowing to me.
A whistle-blower is someone who knows the information, understands it, and then can make an informed judgement that the compromise of that information, the benefit of that outweighs the risk and the harm. Julian Assange was in no position to make that judgement.

ADMIRAL MIKE MULLEN, U.S. DEPARTMENT OF DEFENCE:
Mr Assange can say wherever he likes about the greater good he thinks he and his source are doing but the truth is they might already have on their hands the blood of some young soldier or that of an afghan family.
Disagree with the war all you want, take issue with the policy don’t put those who have put themselves in harms way, further in harms way, just to make a point.

P.J. CROWLEY, US ASSISTANT SECRETARY OF STATE FOR PUBLIC AFFAIRS, 2009-11:
[Assange] doesn't know. We can tell you that peoples' lives were uprooted. People were jailed.
There are people who were subject to these reports who are now dead. Now, were they killed because of the leak? I can't say that.
Were they killed because of what they were doing that came to the attention of another government? Quite possibly.

But those are facts. There was real harm to real people as a result of what WikiLeaks did."
Posted by plantagenet, Monday, 5 August 2019 3:28:45 PM
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Pete,

You can put up peoples opinions, this does not make them facts.

A recent analysis of Wikileaks data released has shown to date no injuries or deaths resulted from the information released.

Look, I don’t like Assange or Wikileaks for that matter, however if people fail to look at information logically and honesty, then it is pointless making inferences when the information is flawed from the start.

You might also want to be careful quoting Mike Mullen, he has been caught out telling red faced lies to the media and US government oversight committees re civilian deaths in both Syria and Afghanistan whilst he was in command of various special forces in these operational areas.

Nice try, but a fail again.
Posted by Galen, Tuesday, 6 August 2019 12:38:59 AM
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