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Progressive surrogacy bill is regressive for women and children : Comments

By Charles Smith, published 22/7/2019

If the bill is passed, the option of 'buying a womb' to address perceived reproductive injustices will be added to existing family formation options for men, that already allow them to adopt and foster.

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Doesn't matter, females will be obsolete with artificial wombs. Why have to deal with a 50% chance of betrayal and indefinite chattel bondage (divorce) when a simple, clean and non-crazy alternative is soon available.
Posted by McCackie, Monday, 22 July 2019 9:10:15 AM
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Homosexuals and lesbians should have no 'options' when it comes to children. They should have nothing to do with children, who need a mother and father.
Posted by ttbn, Monday, 22 July 2019 9:18:10 AM
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Just don't understand your problem mate! In Surrogacy, the parties are all knowledgeable volunteers, the egg donor( The biological mum) is known as is the sperm donor (The biological dad). And entered into as a contract to give a childless couple, their own biological child or children!

So where's the problem with that you heartless piece of work

No one is ever going to require you to rent your womb, donate your eggs or your sperm, nor require to fund any part of it!

So, why don't you and your bunch of self-evident control freaks, go back to picketing family planning clinics? Or ranting about about biological difference and or SSM!

Or just get a mate to shine a powerful torch from the 11th floor, so you can slide down the beam and escape to freedom?
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Monday, 22 July 2019 12:24:54 PM
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Anyone who brings more children into this already-overcrowded world is a villain, regardless of their gender and sexual orientation.

«the right of a child to a mother and father is effectively glossed over»

Why would a child who pushes him/herself in have any rights?
If s/he does not like the fact that the womb-mother is different than the genetic-mother, then nothing compels them to come to this world at this time: if they fail to show restraint then the responsibility for the consequences on their life is theirs alone!
Posted by Yuyutsu, Monday, 22 July 2019 2:19:38 PM
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Hi Yuyutsu,

Evil embryos ! How dare they develop into foetuses and then babies, and later, make all sorts of unreasonable demands on mature adults about who their 'real' parents are ?

If a woman in, say, Cambodia or some other desperately poor country, can use her body to produce a child for someone in a rich country, for a reasonable fee, how is it the baby's concern ? They're being brought into the world, aren't they ? Shouldn't they be grateful ?

Should advances in science, in step with advances in capitalism, defer to human rights of children ? Is that what we're coming to ?

Joe
Posted by Loudmouth, Monday, 22 July 2019 6:05:51 PM
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Dear Joe,

«Evil embryos ! How dare they develop into foetuses and then babies»

Embryos are no more evil than a cactus plant, they are just material objects whose nature it is to develop further.

However, if someone identifies with an embryo (at whichever stage of development), then they have no right to complain about their parents being who they are, there is no place for such victimhood mentaility.

«If a woman in, say, Cambodia or some other desperately poor country, can use her body to produce a child for someone in a rich country, for a reasonable fee, how is it the baby's concern ?»

It has nothing to do with the location of the parents/surrogate, their wealth/poverty or the fee: the world has far too many humans already.
The baby cannot have any concern, but the one who identifies with the baby cannot avoid the responsibility for coming into the world at this time.

«They're being brought into the world, aren't they ? Shouldn't they be grateful ?»

Only their bodies are brought into the world, nobody is obliged to enter the world by identifying with those bodies, nobody is forced to. Should one be grateful for their body? Sometimes, sometimes not, depending on the opportunities and how they are utilised. Having a body in the world is not necessarily and automatically a good thing.

«Should advances in science, in step with advances in capitalism, defer to human rights of children ? Is that what we're coming to ?»

Sorry, I do not understand your question. In any case, my post had nothing to do with science or capitalism.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Monday, 22 July 2019 6:54:57 PM
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Not quite sure what this article, or the title, is about and what it means exactly.
But judging by the responses so far, it doesn't seem like it has a popular following.
If it has to do with giving the people an opportunity to have a child when they cannot have one naturally, I have mixed feelings about that.
When one considers the emotional turmoil that some of the Chinese went through during the period of the one child policy, I can begin to get a 'feel' for this topic.
The reason I am torn is that we are headed for a very bad ending, if we don't stop and take stock.
Although I abhor censorship and manipulation of any kind, if we are talking about over population and selfish people, then I would have to agree that we are on a road to nowhere.
I say selfish because adults have nurtured a healthy amount of entitlement.
They feel that if they decide on a particular issue that it is their decision alone.
No thought or care as to any ramifications or consequences of their decision.
Queers, having or adopting kids is one such appalling decision.
They convince themselves that they will make 'good' parents and the child 'will' be happy.
It is now a matter of record as to the fact that such children, without their true biological parents, (male and female) grow up with issues.
They suppress them out of respect for their queer guardians, but in reality are not fulfilled or happy, compared to their 'normal' friends with 'normal' parents.
Now by the sounds of it we are going to make even more disappointed children by even more deranged and demented people.
Sometimes I wonder if the creation of religion was to bring society back into line because things were once way out of line socially and morally.
Now we're witnessing a return to those bad ole' days of orgy's and socially disgusting antics, sodomy, pedophilia, homosexuality and more disgusting revelations.
People have chosen the 'easy' way, instead of the 'correct' way.
And here we are today.
Posted by ALTRAV, Tuesday, 23 July 2019 12:40:11 PM
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Dear Altrav,

The majority by far of children that overcrowd the world are still born to "straight" families, so it does not make sense to blame only a small sector such as homosexuals.

«Sometimes I wonder if the creation of religion was to bring society back into line because things were once way out of line socially and morally.»

Religion was discovered rather than created. It was there all along, like the hills and the force of gravitation.
The impact of its discovery on societies was only incidental: some societies flourished from the morality which religion brings at its initial stages, but other societies were extinguished when religious people advanced and renounced worldly life.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Tuesday, 23 July 2019 2:10:05 PM
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