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Australia needs to rethink its position on Iran : Comments

By Peter Bowden, published 15/7/2019

The conflict between Donald Trump and Iran is a long drawn out affair, initiated by the United States, and has lasted almost ¾ of a century.

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Obama and Hillary started wars that lead to the ulcers of Libya and Syria. Trump seems to prefer to quietly strangle them by removing their oil weapon and killing their economies.

Also if the US has to fight, he lets the military do it to win. Keeping meddling politicos out of the picture.
Posted by McCackie, Friday, 19 July 2019 11:38:01 AM
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Hey Lego,

"To begin with, MSN is owned by Microsoft, not Murdoch. Murdoch is Fox."

You misunderstood me;
'msm' is shorthand for 'mainstream media';
Also sometimes referred to as the 'corporate media';
- As opposed to 'independent media' -

- In any case I wasn't referring to Microsoft MSN.

Well, it appears I may have gotten this one wrong;
(I prefer to be the first to point out my own errors before others do)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/irans-revolutionary-guard-announce-seizure-of-oil-tanker-smuggling-fuel-in-the-strait-of-hormuz/2019/07/18/c0f6d72e-a949-11e9-86dd-d7f0e60391e9_story.htm

"The tanker, based in the United Arab Emirates, and its 12-member crew were detained after they were found to be smuggling Iranian fuel, according to a statement by the Revolutionary Guard. The statement appeared to contradict an earlier claim by Iran’s Foreign Ministry that Iranian authorities had rescued the ship after it broke down."

That said, the mainstream media still tried to narrate the issue as if Iran was blocking oil shipments from the gulf.
The issue is obviously more complicated as Iran says it was stopping oil smuggling from their country;
And not necessarily blocking oil shipments from it's neighbours.

"And it is the USA, the leader of the free world, who is the bad guy warmonger here? Because Trump broke the Obama sponsored deal that guaranteed that the ever so trustworthy Ayatollahs would not make nuclear weapons?"

I honestly couldn't care less if Iran does or doesn't have nukes.
Iran hasn't attacked another country in 200 years.
India and Pakistan have nukes, and they're more or less at war.

What I oppose is the US and Israel dictating to everyone else how they should live and collective punishment against entire nations of people for future global geopolitical agendas.

I support any nation have a nuclear deterrent against US aggression.

BTW, what do you actually have in the name of 'Iranian aggression or destabilising activities'?

- Other than anonymous / classified Israeli intelligence -

- 'heresay' from a country with an open policy to destabilise it's neighbours?
Posted by Armchair Critic, Friday, 19 July 2019 1:20:05 PM
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Hey AC.

You think that I have been brainwashed by the mainstream media into believing that Israel is the good guy and Iran is the bad guy. You posted four links that you claimed "proved" that I was being lied to. They proven nothing at all. Two left wing news organisations implied that the tanker was probably taken by force, and the other two simply replayed the official Iranian line that they towed it into port when it broke down.

Your statement that you don't care if Iran has nuclear weapons equates with saying that you do not care if Nazi Germany or Imperial Japan has nuclear weapons. As for claiming that Iran has not attacked anybody for 200 years, that would be a real surprise to the Israelis who have been bombing and shelling Iranian rocket launch points and mortar positions in Lebanon and Syria for thirty years. Former Iranian President Ahmadinejad declared that Israel "must be wiped off the face of the Earth" and his Revolutionary Guard ratbags have been attempting to do just that for decades.

The reason why the Muslims want to totally destroy Israel is because Israel is the homeland of the Jewish religion that was conquered by Islam. And just like with Hitler, they think that where Islam has conquered it is Islamic land forever. I lived through a time when the Left actually supported Israel because it was seen as a successful socialist country who's Kibbutz's equated to communes. It became very fashionable for western lefties to go to Israel and work on kibbutzes.

But the lefties turned on Israel for three reasons. First, it was always expected that Israel would be destroyed by the much more numerous and better armed Arabs, and lefties love underdogs. But Israel kept winning it's wars with (shock, horror) US help. There is nothing a socialist hates more than a winner, and that's the second reason. Thirdly, Jews were expected to be the most anti racist people on the planet because of the holocaust. But the Israelis have proven to be just as racist as everybody else
Posted by LEGO, Friday, 19 July 2019 7:20:54 PM
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