Now let's see Tristan.

International Socialism failed in the Soviet Union, Red China, North Korea, Cuba, East German, Poland, Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Bulgaria, Romania, Chile, Venezuela, and Vietnam. All it did was create totalitarian states right out of 1984 with failed economies. National Socialism did better in that it was more economically successful, examples Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy, and today's China and Russia, but once again it resulted in totalitarian states that was prone to creating militarily aggressive governments looking to expand their countries borders through military aggression.

And the only "success" that you claim was some mob of commies who got power in Vienna before another bunch of socialists of a different stripe kicked them out of power? These "Vienna" socialists, you claim, got it absolutely right.

I think that would be a very hard sell to the public, Tristan.

Look Tristam, we got a guy here on OLO called Runner who isn't a bad bloke at all, and he is sensible about most things. But the thinks that the bloody universe was created in 6 days and nothing you can say to him will convince him any different. He needs to believe this insanity so much that he can turn off his objective reasoning circuits and believe in total bloody nonsense. Are you sure that your own need to believe absolute rubbish about Vienna socialism as being The Saviour of The World has not done the dame thing to your brain's capacity for objective thinking, as it has done to poor Runner's?

As for Sweden's reversal on socialism, try

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lxD-gikpMs&t=18s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udqrpYbArCI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jq3vVbdgMuQ

It's funny, you have an electrician like me instructing a PhD on research. But at least my brain has not become vestigial by the debilitating effects of studying for a PhD at uni.

Has Academic Gobbledeegook ever created any economic growth ?

The arguments about Austrian Socialism stand ; it was an example of what democratic socialism could achieve.

The US won the Cold War at a terrible cost. Massacres, murder and torture on a massive scale in Central and South America, Indonesia, Indo-China, Taiwan, South Korea.

Fascism was a variant of capitalism ; Nazism arguably the worst variant.

The Nordics also showed what is possible. For decades achieving close to full employment, high wages, and strong social security.

Yes I'm a socialist. But all I'm arguing for now is to raise our progressive tax levels to the OECD average.

If you support Medicare you should have no problem extending that into Dental and Aged Care. And if you want workforce participation up you should back child care subsidies. And if you have any humanity you should back action on mental health.

If Hugh White is right and we can no longer depend on the US - in the future we'll be more independent - but will need to increase Defence expenditure. But if we can increase Defence expenditure we can also increase spending on frontline services.

Tristan, I was brainwashed at school into thinking that Nazism was an offshoot of capitalism, and it was extreme right wing thinking. Then I read a book by a former German soldier who fought in the Soviet Union during WW2, and he wrote something that struck a chord with me and got me thinking straight.

The book was "The Forgotten Soldier" by Guy Sajer. In it, he wrote the prophetic words "....we were dying in our millions to destroy a system of government that was almost identical to our own." That got me thinking. Nazism is the National Socialist German Workers Party. Then I found a quote from Adolph Hitler. He said.

We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions."

Speech of May 1, 1927

Now what is the essential difference between International Socialism and National socialism? International Socialism was supposed to be Internationalist, or what we call "globalist" today. But it was not. It was a Kremlin centred ideology which masqueraded as an internationalist movement to appeal to you PhD types who dream of a unified world, where countries are ruled by an intelligent, graduate class, and there is no war or crime. Nationalist Socialists differ in two ways.

National Socialists, are smart enough to figure out that governments owning the means of production is a recipe for economic catastrophe, and they are unashamedly nationalist in character.

But both are socialist and both are totalitarian. Germany in 1919 had a fledgling democratic government but the allies did something stupid which they did not repeat after WW2. They "squeezed the German lemon until the pips squeaked). The resulting abject poverty of the Germans let to the creation of competing socialist systems and resulted in a civil war. Hitler hated the Jews because Jews were prominent leaders in the internationalist socialist movement in Germany

"....we were dying in our millions to destroy a system of government that was almost identical to our own."

One Pro-Jew (Bolsheviks)
One Anti-Jew (Nazis)

"National Socialists, are smart enough to figure out that governments owning the means of production is a recipe for economic catastrophe, and they are unashamedly nationalist in character."

Adolf Hitler turned The Weimar Republic into an economic powerhouse
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weimar_Republic

(With the help of Jewish financier Max Warburg)

Max Warburg, was brother to Paul Warburg who started the US Federal Reserve.
Paul's son James Warburg was a member of the Council on Foreign Relations.
He gained some notice in a February 17, 1950, appearance before the U.S. Senate Committee on Foreign Relations in which he said, "We shall have world government, whether or not we like it. The question is only whether world government will be achieved by consent or by conquest."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Warburg

Hitler also had some links to Ingolstadt University where Adam Weishaupt studied. (Founder of the Illuminati)

What You're Not Supposed to Know About America's Founding
http://youtu.be/364cxeR5EAg

"It was a Kremlin centred ideology which masqueraded as an internationalist movement to appeal to you PhD types who dream of a unified world, where countries are ruled by an intelligent, graduate class, and there is no war or crime. Nationalist Socialists differ in two ways."

Moses Mordecai Marx Levy, alias Karl Marx, wrote 'The Communist Manifesto' in 1848.

Vladimir Lenin, leader of the Russian Social Democratic Workers Party seized control of the government in Russia in October 1917.