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Thinking about things : Comments

By Don Aitkin, published 26/6/2019

ndeed, if we look at the best proxy for long-term climate-change - the Central England Temperature record - we see that the end of the 20th century is very far from unusual with several periods of similar scale change.

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Again I pose the question to all of you global warming/climate change denialists:

What evidence would you need to have presented to you for you to be convinced that the current levels of global warming are due to anthropogenic activity viz burning of fossil fuels?
Posted by Mr Opinion, Thursday, 27 June 2019 2:10:39 PM
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Hasbeen,
>Give us your rationalisation of why all this global warming is making our winters so much colder.
Simple: it isn't!
It may make Europe's winters colder by changing ocean currents, but we don't rely on ocean currents to keep us warm in winter, and as there's no sea ice anywhere near here it wouldn't affect the currents in that way anyway.

You're really deluded if you think you're better at maths than everyone else. Your conclusion that science "totally disproves CO2 is more than a very minor bit player in the scheme of things" is based not on better mathematics but on false assumptions and willingness to ignore evidence that doesn't fit your predetermined conclusion.

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Alan B,
>If we do nothing except business as usual and burning coal, in clean coal power stations, we can it's claimed,
>geosequester the CO2 output and generate electrical power with around or less than a 6% energy coefficient that
>then is subject to an 11% averaged, transmission line losses and a further 64% distribution losses.

Your 6% figure is out by a factor of 4 to 7; it varies between power stations but 30% is a more realistic figure for their efficiency. And your "64% distribution losses" figure is similarly suspect.
Posted by Aidan, Thursday, 27 June 2019 3:54:42 PM
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Mr Opinion and Aiden think the onus of proof is on those who are waiting for evidence rather than on the numerous who have told lies.
Posted by runner, Thursday, 27 June 2019 4:48:17 PM
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I made a mistake. I said the current level of CO2 in the atmosphere was 385ppm. In fact it was 385ppm in 2007. In 2019 the latest recorded figure is 410ppm, which is really quite a significant jump in the last 12 years. Probably the result of exponentially increasing greenhouse gas emissions from China and India.

Looks like global warming is really ramping up! Denialist or non-denialist, whichever way you look at it the planet is getting hotter and no one can fix whatever it is that is causing it. Welcome to your extinction event!
Posted by Mr Opinion, Thursday, 27 June 2019 4:51:01 PM
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Dear Mr. Opinion,

«What evidence would you need to have presented to you for you to be convinced that the current levels of global warming are due to anthropogenic activity viz burning of fossil fuels?»

Hmmm, the exact sum would likely (and also based on past examples) differ between individuals, but being presented by a cheque (once respected by the bank) for around $1M would probably seem as convincing evidence.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Friday, 28 June 2019 11:40:44 AM
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Mr Opinion,
What steps are you taking to reduce emission ? What commodities are you now going without ?
Let us know, perhaps we could follow your example !
Posted by individual, Friday, 28 June 2019 9:05:21 PM
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