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Terrorism laws: prevention is better than cure : Comments

By Philip Ruddock, published 23/9/2005

Philip Ruddock argues it is better to have terrorism laws in place before an attack rather than after.

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Dear Mr Ruddock

The action which the government could take to make us safer from terrorist attacks is to get our troops out of Iraq and Afghanistan.
Instead of doing this you plan on giving more powers to the organisation which gave incorrect information about Saddams WMD,s and has now played its part in involving us all in the deaths of thousands of civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan.

One of the definitions of a terrorist is "a man with a bomb who does not have an air force"

Terrorism is terrorism whether it is committed by a suicide bomber or by a cruise missile or a smart bomb.

When will you learn that sending our troops to fight at the side of an allie which kills civilians, tortures people in its prisons, and imprisons others for years without trial does not make any friends for Australia?
What we need is a lot more friends and a lot fewer enemies.
Change the foreign policy Mr Ruddock and make us all safer and with our civil liberties intact.
Posted by Peace, Monday, 26 September 2005 9:26:45 PM
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Part 1
Here we are an Attorney General referring to “enemy” but not knowing the identity of this “enemy”!
As if this makes sense.
We have, as I discovered when assisting a man against criminal charges facing up to 10 years imprisonment for putting pamphlets in letterboxes while the media was video taping this, that evidence was against this man of terrorist conduct. Excuse me, putting pamphlets in a mailbox? The judge made clear his views; that the charges were an abuse of the legal processes. That was the end of the charges.

Now a days, any alleged criminal is a “terrorist” and any alleged criminal conduct is “terrorism” and this even so nothing occurred. So, the Federal government is going to lock down entire suburbs to catch the would be terrorist, that exist only in the minds of those who fanaticize it, and we have entire communities terrorized by this conduct. Who is the terrorist then?

On Monday 26 September 2005, John Howard finally conceded that the Commonwealth of Australia has no constitutional powers to lock up people for 14 days without charge. If he had bothered to read my correspondence to him over the years and my published books he could have been aware of this years ago!

Now we have an Attorney-General who is seeking to lay claim about knowing what to do, yet, when Minister of Immigration he could not even manage then what is constitutionally required, that is that no person can be detained/deported without State court order! Remember the poor woman Vivian Solon? CREDIBILITY?

Any government that sets out to ignore facts and ignores to follow DUE PROCESS OF LAW can hardly lay claim to want to protect the general public.
Remember the claim of WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION? We were told just to wait so they could locate them. Well years on they still didn’t find those illusive WMD.

We also had that invading Iraq would make the world safer. Well tell that to the dead. Oops, they cannot hear you, as their LIBERTY existed of being liberated from the human race!
Posted by Mr Gerrit H Schorel-Hlavka, Tuesday, 27 September 2005 1:22:51 AM
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Part 2

In my view the real terrorist are those using and abusing the legal powers to terrorize a nation, kill civilians and this all upon so called INTELLIGENCE!

Remember the “CHILDREN OVERBOARD”?

Perhaps real terrorist may end up being far less a problem then the very government that in anything plunged this nation into an unconstitutional/illegal war!

Use section 24AA of the Crimes Act (Cth) against yourself and your fellow politicians who were unconstitutionally/illegally invading another sovereign nation and you may perhaps start to earn some credibility wanting to do something about terrorist.

In my view, it is in itself an act of terrorism to abuse and misuse powers to subject the general community to this kind of fear.

Any terrorism we may encounter in my view more likely is due to the unconstitutional/illegal action taken by the Commonwealth of Australia.
To make a safer world you have to commence by yourself.

About 10 years ago, a person gave me the understanding wanting to blow up a gas tanker in the city so that not just himself but a lot of others would die in the process as to make a statement against the government. The fact that he didn’t go ahead with this was no thanks to any government, but because of my ongoing assistance to him to realize that there was another way to resolve matters.
In today’s climate, he would have been labeled a “terrorist” while in reality he was a sole lost who sought justice but had been wrongly denied of it until then.
No kind of terrorist laws possibly would have stopped a man in that situation. What it needed was simply a person to listen to his grievances and some hand lent to him to get on the right track.

I would recommend that as Attorney-General you first study certain constitutional issues relevant to the issues, before trying to tell others what is right or wrong.
All you may achieve now with unconstitutional terrorist laws is that in the end a real terrorist may walk free because of unconstitutional legislation!
Posted by Mr Gerrit H Schorel-Hlavka, Tuesday, 27 September 2005 1:25:02 AM
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How anyone can believe Ruddock is beyond me. For the past ten years the federal government has targeted enemies, Iraqis, Aphganis, asylum seekers, anyone who disagrees with them and now Muslim citizens of Australia.
There is no "terrorist" activity in Australia. Australia under Howard was involved in the illegal, Shock and Awe attack on Iraq, killing innocent people, crimes against humanity. At the Nurenburg Trials, "terrorist" was not part of the language.
Crimes against humanity have been replaced with "terrorist" which is "newspeak" [Orwell]. Israel, America, Australia and England name their enemies as "terrorists" and it has become a useful propaganda tool. We know that truth is hard to find these days and nobody is looking for it, the truth is, if Bin Laden is a "terrorist", then Blair Bush and Howard are "terrorists" and also if Bin Laden is a war criminal, then Bush, Blair and Howard are war criminals.
Bush, Blair and Howard are totally against the International Court for obvious reasons.
No matter what Ruddock or Howard espouse, the truth is that Howard is a war criminal, and as he downsizes democracy in Australia, this will not change the fact. Australians need to ask themselves, why have they handed this bloke power for so long?. Don't forget to look under your bed for a "terrorist".
Posted by Sarah10, Tuesday, 27 September 2005 6:22:32 AM
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I was under the impression that government advertising had to be clearly acknowledged as such. This is an opinion forum, not a distribution centre for propaganda. It would be interesting to know whether the figurehead of Australia's miserable human rights record is as industrious when it comes to reading feedback as he was when compiling his dangerous piece.
Posted by chainsmoker, Tuesday, 27 September 2005 8:28:31 AM
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Response to plantagenet:

Your arguments about inability to arrest someone at 4PM, extremist groups succesfully suing ASIO, terrorists making a phone call from gaol to activate bomb and judges waiting to see the bomb go off before they take action -- these belong in a 3rd rate American TV or movie script.

"Thanks to the infidel's human rights, I can ring you from prison without being monitored. I left the detonator with Smith, who was let go by police because it was 4AM and all the judges were sleeping. And get me a good lawyer. We can finance our next attack after we sue ASIO for my arrest. Haa Haa Haa!"

I look foward to your name being listed in the credits.
Posted by David Latimer, Tuesday, 27 September 2005 10:03:41 AM
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