Pogi,

2GB’s Alan Jones stated that Rugby Australia is on “the wrong side of common sense”: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3S0ISi4SRJs.

OzSpen: "2GB’s Alan Jones stated that Rugby Australia is on “the wrong side of common sense”.

Whenever I disagree with Alan Jomes I'm more at ease with my own line of reasoning.

You may post authoritative references until hell freezes over but inevitably your strivings highlight a smugness of conviction that is totally unrelated to the truth of the issue. Folau's motives stem from the selfish imperative to be seen to be as close as he can to his god in contrast to the reader whom he is addressing. He will grovel to his cerebral pathology because it makes him feel closer to this contemptible figment and further apart from those to whom he evangelises. He is a dangerous fanatic no different from Islamic State followers and, given free rein, would incite fellow fanatics to build a theocracy

His hatred of human frailty would see self-abnegation and groveling servitude became institutionalised as the norm and a virtue to be striven and longed for but never achieved. In Hitchens' words a celestial North Korea or a New Caliphate. He is drenched in a megalomaniacal conviction that humankind has no future outside of cerebral self-flagellation and abject subservience

He insults humankind by his very existence and odious presence. He can have only one ultimate allegiance and in this he rejoices. The death of sin and this unholy life in exchange for spiritual perfection in the company of his god for eternity.

Thousands of prominent sportsmen and women feel comfortable in their faith without insulting their colleagues by the issuance of threats against life and limb. They are no less convicted in their beliefs than Folau yet don't feel threatened by those whose convictions differ. In modern society, Folau is not entitled to be not offended by others' beliefs. If he is offended then it is he alone who makes that choice. The target of his hatred is not to be held responsible for the fear and hatred that fills him. No amount of feigned altruism can justify his attitude. Retaliation against Folau by concerned citizens is justified unquestionably

To Pogi.

Are any of your accusations towards Folau justified? Or are they only there to justify your hostile position against Christianity.

Put it another way. Did Folau tell you anything of these things that you accuse him of doing or being? Has he promoted killing or beheading that he is the same as ISIS? Does he hate humanity, or show any signs of hatred by his actions? Or is it out of love and concern that he warns publicly the consequence of hell. (Without talking to the man or seeing his actions to help or harm, neither love nor hate is an accusation that can be given merit. It is as baseless as saying he is the same as ISIS). Did he actually threaten anyone?

The problem with lying to yourself is that usually you believe it. In a topic titled "fairies at the bottom of the garden," the issue of lying to yourself about religious people or the religion itself should be a worth while tangent into the topic.

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On the topic from the article. The second page of the article has a few interesting points on how the non religious regularity view the religious. Here's some quotes from the article. Take a hard look at the first two quotes. Change and be better then that Pogi.

<<There are a few options for responding to this metaphysical jumble. One is to lump it all together in order to dismiss the lot, as the writer Kurt Andersen does in his Atlantic article on “post-truth” thinking in the age of Trump. He excoriates his fellow Americans for their “promiscuous devotion to the untrue”, and proclaims himself one of an embattled minority he loftily calls “the solidly reality-based” >>

<<Equating religious dogma with conspiracy theories with any old supernatural belief may be satisfying – but it does mean being forced to conclude that most of your fellow citizens, and most humans who’ve ever lived, have been loonies. (Some may not consider that a downside.)>>

<<Second option: we can focus on where to draw the line between supernatural beliefs that are “reasonable” and those that aren’t – where warranted faith ends and the lunatic fringe begins. I would argue that we have a moral obligation to do this for our own beliefs; but in approaching other people’s, it may be less constructive.>>

<<Finally, we can opt to bend our attention back on itself – on the phenomenon of faith in the first place. It’s striking that humans are so prone to Milbank’s “desire for the supernatural”. We can be thrilled by the wonders of the cosmos and the little joys of our daily lives, yet still we yearn for something more. We can suppress it in ourselves and belittle it in others, but it tends to take its revenge, one way or another.>>

Pogi,

<<Folau's motives stem from the selfish imperative to be seen to be as close as he can to his god in contrast to the reader whom he is addressing.>>

Do you understand Folau so well that you KNOW the source of his motives? You are sure jumping to a questionable conclusion.

<<He will grovel to his cerebral pathology because it makes him feel closer to this contemptible figment and further apart from those to whom he evangelises.>>

That is a contemptible Appeal to Ridicule logical fallacy of erroneous reasoning. You've tried to make 'the argument look ridiculous' by misrepresenting Folau's beliefs as part of 'cerebral pathology'.

This is your argument of exaggeration that compares Folau's belief in sinners going to hell at death in your attempt to ridicule his views. It is not a good argument and shows your desperation in committing this fallacy. See an explanation of the fallacy at:
http://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFallacies/42/Appeal-to-Ridicule.

<<He is a dangerous fanatic no different from Islamic State followers and, given free rein....>>

To the contrary, his Instagram post was essentially a quote straight from the Bible:
"Don’t you realize that those who do wrong will not inherit the Kingdom of God? Don’t fool yourselves. Those who indulge in sexual sin, or who worship idols, or commit adultery, or are male prostitutes, or practice homosexuality, or are thieves, or greedy people, or drunkards, or are abusive, or cheat people—none of these will inherit the Kingdom of God. Some of you were once like that. But you were cleansed" (1 Corinthians 6:9-11).

<<would incite fellow fanatics to build a theocracy>>

False again! By his Instagram quote, Folau demonstrated he is not a fanatic but a follower of Jesus. He is not fighting for a theocracy on this earth. He knows the Kingdom of God will NEVER be established in this sinful world. Israel is being an obedient child of God who warns sinners of their eternal destiny.