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We need an ecological revolution : Comments

By John Avery, published 12/4/2019

None of us asked to be born at a time of crisis, But we have been born at such a time, and history has given us an enormous responsibility.

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There have always been always been crises throughout the ages. They have always been solved or we have learn to live with them. What we have to do is stop listening to hysterics, left wing twits like the Pope and people like this author.
Posted by ttbn, Friday, 12 April 2019 8:51:18 AM
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The market forces will deal with the problem of overpopulation.

It will do this by continued sacrificing of the poor, under the wheels of neoliberal bus.
Posted by diver dan, Friday, 12 April 2019 10:26:27 AM
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This bloke is proof of my growing belief that the dumbest, most easily fooled people on earth are, academics.

It is obviously true that most of them get to know more & more about less & less, until they finally know everything about stuff all, & stuff all about everything.
Posted by Hasbeen, Friday, 12 April 2019 11:21:56 AM
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Another clear case of rational faith in God being replaced by pseudo science and virtue signalling. Make up issues to waste money on while real issues are ignored. We might be called for such a time as this however academia have never before been so dumbed down.
Posted by runner, Friday, 12 April 2019 2:06:26 PM
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Maybe John is correct in his (necessary) calling.

The author featured on these two sites thoroughly agrees with John's calling
http://www.dabase.org/trees.htm
http://fearnomore.vision/non-human/observe-the-non-humans-and learn-from-them

As does the author of this book http://sacred-economics.com Once upon a time he was even featured on this forum.
Posted by Daffy Duck, Friday, 12 April 2019 3:16:15 PM
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We've always solved all our problems or learned to live with them. Sure and learning to live with them is done (as Diver Dan says) by running over the poor, while the rich flounder around not wanting to upset their lifestyles.

Was slavery a problem that could have been "solved" 40 years earlier? Of course, but the "everything is fine" critics at the tiime helped to maintain the status quo, so millions suffered.

We have 7.7 billion people on the earth now, increasing 80 million a year and heading toward 10 billion. Nobody thinks we can all live a sustainable lifestyle with education, medical care and a fair justice system with 7.7 billion, let alone 10 billion.

We can start making changes now as the author advocates, or we can let the bus continue running over the poor (thanks DD). But now the rich world is starting to feel the impacts. Commodity prices have increased substantially since 2000. Neoclassical economics says that prices always go down because we get smarter every year and learn to farm better, mine ores better, make energy better. But we aren't learning as fast as the laws of supply and demand dictate the prices.

Refugees are causing a nuisance, the oceans have never been dirtier, species are going extinct, Countries like India and China that are supposed to be beacons of capitalist success are so polluted years are taken off the local people's lives.

Net zero immigration and no govt benefits above 2 children would be a good start and hardly impact anyone, but the rich don't want it so the major political parties and the media don't want it.
Posted by ericc, Friday, 12 April 2019 4:25:17 PM
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Speaking of academics there are of course lots of academic associated with the Toxic Sludge Is Good For You school of "science". They are funded by the deep pockets of right-wing billionaires, big business and the fossil-fuel companies too.

These academics act of shills for the above.

They are also connected with and work for the various USA right-wing think (propaganda) tanks such as the IPA here in Australia, the AEI, the Heritage Foundation and lots more too.

Then of course there is also the Cornwall Alliance too, which bases its world-view on their (mis)-interpretation of the Bible.
Posted by Daffy Duck, Friday, 12 April 2019 7:14:16 PM
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"We need an ecological revolution" - Well, the world could start with an urgent campaign to stabilise the population.

We're not going to solve any problems through overpopulation.
Posted by Bozec, Saturday, 13 April 2019 11:53:02 AM
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We need a mentality revolution !
Posted by individual, Monday, 15 April 2019 7:17:56 AM
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Daffy Duck writes: "They are funded by the deep pockets of right-wing billionaires, big business and the fossil-fuel companies too."

Since you know so much about all this, Daffy, tell us more. Who are the billionaires, which are the big businesses and foreign fuel companies? How much are they paying? To whom?

No matter what the number you invent, it will pale into significance by the trillions spent in the name of "tackling climate change."
Posted by calwest, Monday, 15 April 2019 10:23:14 AM
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Act on climate change like you did on Notre-Dame, activist Greta Thunberg begs EU

Too sensible for today's politicians I imagine.
Posted by individual, Thursday, 18 April 2019 7:32:31 AM
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Well we have a similar amount of people killed in floods, droughts, cyclones as there has always been.
Many more killed in wars and car accidents.

You can't save the environment with the 7 billion headed for 10 billion people on earth.
If it wasn't for the cheap power provided by coal to some of those billions of people
around the world, you would have double the carbon dioxide,
because they would cut down trees to use for fires to cook and warm themselves with.
Because trees absorb large quantities of carbon dioxide burning wood pumps
twice as much carbon into the air as coal
Posted by CHERFUL, Thursday, 18 April 2019 11:52:36 PM
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