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Gaping hole in greenhouse gas emissions : Comments

By David Leyonhjelm, published 4/3/2019

Australia’s commitments, no matter what anyone thinks of them, are quite pointless unless they are conditional on action by the world’s big emitters.

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Hasbeen: "Any one who has not woken up to the fraud that is global warming, is either simply not very bright, or has something to gain by perpetuating the hoax."

You could add "or is simply gullible"
Posted by Raycom, Monday, 4 March 2019 1:19:56 PM
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The out-and-out disagreement in these comments is striking.

I am with the author. Those who think we are part of the problem because of our coal exports don't seem to be saying that we should end these exports tomorrow, or even the next day. Not that this would make much difference, save to Australians, whose standard of living would decline quickly. Brazil and other exporters would supply what China and India want.

If AGW is a problem, then it is a global problem. It may not even be a problem, since a warmer climate is beneficial to almost all eco-systems, the earth is greening and food production has risen over the past fifty years. The evidence that the earth is warming dangerously is equivocal, whatever the Climate Council, BoM and the CSIRO say. They can't produce strong evidence one way or the other, and haven't done so. Not that our governments seem to care.

AGW is government policy (alas), and has a religious element in it. We need much better argument and evidence before I for one could base important government policies, such as in the energy domain, on it.
Posted by Don Aitkin, Monday, 4 March 2019 1:56:55 PM
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Leyonjonhelm is correct. The large expanse of Australian foliage and especially the literally millions of tonnes of food we produce takes up more carbon dioxide than we produce.
The Greens just want Australia destroyed, no jobs, no money and sold off to the Chinese.
Price of electricity is so high it stops any chance of jobs being created and is effectively a real tax on the poor. Solar and wind just do not fit the bill and that was the opinion of Bill Gates. This is an enormous mistake we are allowing ourselves to be conned into.
My only consolation is the idiots who support this nonsense like the MSM will drop it like the proverbial hot potato when the problem proves itself when coal is eventually abolished.
What more can you say when Victorian Labour Ministers blamed coal for recent blackouts and high prices? They will shut down more coal plants and double down on this nonsense until even those idiots will see the results of their wrong thinking.
Posted by JBowyer, Monday, 4 March 2019 4:21:05 PM
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Raycom the general idea is that carbon pricing is revenue neutral so you get tax cuts and welfare increases. With that cash in hand you either keep buying the more expensive high carbon product or buy a now relatively cheaper lower carbon product. Example; electricity.

Calwest I think the Chinese would sit up and take notice if we put a carbon tariff on their exports to Australia. If the carbon price was $50 per tCO2 then imported steel ingot which produced 1.7t of CO2 in China would cost $85 a tonne extra. Standard calcs would apply. However Australia would have to get domestic carbon pricing first.
Posted by Taswegian, Monday, 4 March 2019 5:02:49 PM
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more pensioners unable to heat in winter and cool in summer due to virtue signallers slaves to their green religion. Of course many of them fly the globe on the public purse while preaching to others.Sickening really. Obviously they have to delete previously pathetically failed predictions as quickly as Hilary deletes emails.
Posted by runner, Monday, 4 March 2019 5:16:53 PM
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Singleton Engineer runs the "Australia biggest per capita CO2 emitter in the world" line, but it's not actually true. Interesting graph here from Our World in Data plotting CO2 emissions per capita, and income per capita. There's a pretty close relationship. https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/co-emissions-per-capita-vs-gdp-per-capita-international- So we could solve our CO2 problems by voluntarily going back to the level of Burundi.

The other thing to note is that we might have high per capita emissions, but with .32% of world's population, and 5% of land area, not only doesn't it amount to much, but our land area absorbs most of our emissions. So another solution would be for every other country to shrink to match our population density. Otherwise, not much sign that current "remedies" are going to fix the problem.
Posted by GrahamY, Monday, 4 March 2019 6:05:29 PM
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