OzSpen

Personally I have no doubt Jesus Christ rose from the dead. Having seen the way the media report today I have little faith in many historians. Some are even denying the holocaust.

The resurrection of Jesus in bodily form occurred as far as I am concerned because I believe the Scriptures. Jesus foretold many times that He was going away for a short time and then returning. The cowardly disciples who deserted Him when He was being taken away to be crucified became different men after seeing the resurrected Christ. They were filled with the Holy Spirit and boldness and were willing to be martyed, beaten and ridiculed for their faith.

There is tons of evidence of biblical events and locations. Every word Jesus spoke was truth and if He wasn't the resurrected Son of God He would be a liar. Obviously you and I believe otherwise and that He was Truth personified.

The bible to me a very reliable source of history. Alternative theories to Creation, design, moral law etc are non scientific and ridiculous. The number of frauds, lies and rewrites of evolution is only matched by our current day gw fraudsters. The science is not settled and supports the bible far more than these wild fantasies created by consensus pseudo science.

The depravity of man is very clear for all to see. I include myself in this. Thanks for reminding me Galen. Christ was the Only Sinless Man who was never corrupted. His deniers are happy to slaughter unborn babies, promote sexual perversion and virtue signal their own moral virtues through hashtags. Yep things are just as Christ said they would be. He is everyone's Judge or Saviour. His Resurrection proved that He was who the prophets said He was, who He said He was and who His mockers said He wasn't. Nothing surer that He is coming back again.

Ok Runner lets get serious:

“The resurrection of Jesus in bodily form occurred as far as I am concerned because I believe the Scriptures.”

Well that’s clearly not evidence of anything- Fail

“Jesus foretold many times that He was going away for a short time and then returning. The cowardly disciples who deserted Him when He was being taken away to be crucified became different men after seeing the resurrected Christ. They were filled with the Holy Spirit and boldness and were willing to be martyed, beaten and ridiculed for their faith.”

Again no clear evidence - Fail

“There is tons of evidence of biblical events and locations. Every word Jesus spoke was truth and if He wasn't the resurrected Son of God He would be a liar.”

Again no evidence - Fail

“The bible to me a very reliable source of history.”

Another Fail

“Alternative theories to Creation, design, moral law etc are non scientific and ridiculous.”

Says who, another Fail

“The science is not settled and supports the bible far more than these wild fantasies created by consensus pseudo science.”

You just get more ridiculous the more you state, another Fail.

If you are going to make claims to justify your argument, back it up with facts and references not your ‘beliefs’ and assumptions.

Pathetic

Galen to receive a pass mark from you would be a total fail. Glad to be pathetic in your sight. You have absolutely no answers.

Runner, that was a strong and well argued response.

You have confirmed to all your ineptitude and incompetence. Not one shred of evidence to back up your ridiculous claims. If you can’t substantiate your claims with evidence then you have no right in making them in the first place.

Faith is not evidence, you will unfortunately not grasp this, even when you die and fail to arrive in that other ridiculous Christian faith belief, eternal life in heaven, much is the shame. What a wasted life.

To Galen.

Just a heads up, but none of your responses have any evidance in them either. From accusations towards OzSpen and Runner, to your statement on the Big Bang, there has been no evidance given to support your own words. Worse most of your replies have been accusational with no support. I give you this criticism because your failing grade to Runner could just as easily be applied to yourself. Keep that in mind so that you aren't swallowed up in hypocritical thinking.

Moving on to your original response, because I assume this holds your strongest points that you can support and are not about anyone else.

You say that the resurrection relates to earlier writings and oral traditions. Even to say that there are hundreds of them. Do you have any examples, because that's quite the claim. I have heard similar claims about Jesus being a myth made up from other myths, but when asked for examples or details, they all fall short and either have none, or the examples don't compare to Jesus, or the examples aren't real but are misconceptions and lies about previous myths made to fit the gospel narrative almost. When looking up those examples it shows that they were not like Jesus at all. So with this in mind do you have any examples of Myths that relate to the resurrection. (The March of the sun and the solstice don't fit the narrative of the resurrection at all).

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Your next point assumes resurrection is an allegory for the movement of the sun and the solstice. That the three days is about the sun standing still before moving the opposite direction. There's nothing in the bible nor in Christian tradition to support this view. Instead Jesus explained the number of days as a sign for Israel. To be just like Jonah in the belly of a great fish for three days, so also will Jesus be in the belly of the earth for three days. It was nothing to do with religions that follow and worship the sun, but was meant as a testament for the Israeli people so that they knew Jesus's words were true.

I can back these up with the bible verses if you want.

Regarding your last points. You believe that any reference to God or gods is a reference to the sun, planets, or stars. Consider this. Both modern day and recorded in the bible God answered the prayers of the people. But neither modern day nor the Jewish culture believe that the sun, the planets or the stars answered their prayers.

You also say that you believe the bible is mythical with some facts in it. That might be the most interesting point because not long ago, no one who disbelieved in Jesus thought that the bible held any facts in it. That you or anyone else will say otherwise is interesting because it shows the support dug up in archeological discoveries to support the bible. That a nonbeliever in the bible will say there are facts in it, I'll call that progress. Look deeper into that and away rewriting the bible to be about the sun. The bible is more reliable then you give it credit. Talk to OzSpen about this. It is an area that he has researched and can point you in a direction to research on your own to confirm or deny the reliability of the bible. There are other books I've been told are good for that research like the book "Cold-Case Christianity" by J. Warner Wallace.