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Forgetting Jamal Khashoggi: Donald Trump, Saudi Arabia and brute realism : Comments

By Binoy Kampmark, published 23/11/2018

Murdering journalists might be 'bad', but worse is to hold a cashed-up medieval theocracy to account for it.

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The most believable truth of Uncle Donald is his consummate lying.
As opposed of course, to the Democrats, who lie behind a facade of truth!
Posted by diver dan, Friday, 23 November 2018 9:12:01 AM
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Get real already , the stooge was a journo for Washington Post fake scum terrible people. Saudis bomb Muslims with US great products, great shooting.
Posted by nicknamenick, Friday, 23 November 2018 9:43:19 AM
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This is only an issue because Trump and MBS have grown close and that closeness threatens to further unravel Obama's middle-eastern legacy and to change the situation to the advantage of Israel.

I look forward to the author's next article on Meng Hongwei and how we need to hold Xi to account.

Hypocrites all the way down.
Posted by mhaze, Friday, 23 November 2018 11:42:40 AM
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The US always pretended to fight for democracy when it didn't. China can't spell "human rights". Maybe everyone is on the same page now and knows it's just $ power. With his tariffs coming from behind to bite him, Trump needs all the business he can negotiate to buy greatness.
Posted by nicknamenick, Friday, 23 November 2018 12:39:19 PM
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No problem.

The Saudis' oil power make them exempt from morality and also honorary Americans.

After all the mastermind of 9/11 was a Saudi.

Most of the suicide pilots, who, as honorary Americans, waltzed through American avaition security, then slammed into the Twin Towers, were Saudis.

No conspiracies please.
Posted by plantagenet, Friday, 23 November 2018 1:54:00 PM
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Who will Trump get to gold-plate Trump Tower?
"Saudi Binladen Group signed US$1.23 billion to construct the tallest building in the world, Jeddah Tower. In 1964, Mohammed bin Laden was commissioned to recladding the Dome of the Rock in Jerusalem. In 1972, Salem bin Laden, the eldest son of Mohammed bin Laden, died in a plane crash in 1988. The government of Saudi Arabia subsequently established a five-person committee to run the Binladen Group .The Group is constructing Abraj Al Bait Towers in Mecca. On 9/11 2015 while doing construction work in the Grand Mosque in Mecca, one of the Group's cranes collapsed due to high winds causing 118 deaths and almost 400 injuries."

It's believed these were not Binladens , honorary Americans or great Americans. No royal princes were harmed in testing these products.
Posted by nicknamenick, Friday, 23 November 2018 2:38:58 PM
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Binoy obviously forgot to write about Obama literally bowing before the Saudis. Oh reporting on that fact would get him no applause from the swamp. Trump has certainly uncovered the unhinged left who daily slaughter unborn babies and then virtue signal just about everything else.
Posted by runner, Friday, 23 November 2018 2:52:14 PM
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Try watching the George Webb and Blackstone Intelligence network channels on youtube and you may get some intel worth writing about.

http://youtu.be/RrsgNZaUuvY

http://youtu.be/BctVXmx0VP4
Posted by Armchair Critic, Friday, 23 November 2018 4:25:32 PM
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Nobody notices Britain which will be Great again , one day, maybe and Theresa May’s government has repeatedly rejected calls to end sales, stressing the importance of upholding good relations with the UK's key ally in the Middle East.

Foreign Secretary Jeremy Hunt has said there will be “consequences to the relationship with Saudi Arabia” after the killing of Khashoggi, but he has also said the UK has an important strategic relationship with Riyadh that it needs to protect, The Guardian reports. Brexit is knocking the jolly old budget for a six, what?
Posted by nicknamenick, Friday, 23 November 2018 4:50:36 PM
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Binoy Kampfmark has written another puff piece that pleases his establishment left wing friends who have in the past promoted him to a high paying job.

Now, the funny thing about Binoy's puff piece is how once again, the default position of socialite socialists like Binoy, is to claim the high moral ground. The childish image Binoy portrays is black and white. Trump is morally bankrupt to look the other way, when a cashed up Muslim totalitarian regime murders a journalist.

It was the Russians who invented the word "Realpolitic". It meant that they had to put aside some of their most cherished ideals in order to deal with the world as it is. Trump is doing Realpolitic.

Morality is a course of action decided beforehand covering what should be the right course of action to be taken in a specific situation. It usually entails the question of where should an entity forsake personnel self interest in order to give precedence to a communal entity. This is a question that most people make, sometimes every day. It has been said that people can get extremely sanctimonious over moral questions that do not affect them personally.

Stupid people claim that morality is always black and white. There can never be any shades of grey. And stupid people claim that a moral person must contribute to the greater good of the wider community, every time. This was one of the crumbling foundations of Socialism, and one reason why it never worked. Nobody can put other people first, every time.

The Saudi regime I consider completely odious and a threat to the West. Unfortunately, there are other middle eastern regimes and organizations who just happen to be a lot worse than the Saudis. The US has decided that it is better to support the Muslim devils they know, than the Muslim devils who really do see nothing wrong with obtaining nuclear weapons and bringing on Armageddon.

But portraying yourself as a pillar of virtue while criticizing US Realpolitic can be much more important to virtue signalers like Binoy. To hell with the consequences.
Posted by LEGO, Friday, 23 November 2018 6:26:28 PM
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runner - Obama literally bowed before the Saudis and Trump conveniently
Ignores things that is a strong indication someone else possible is pulling the strings of the puppets.
Posted by Philip S, Friday, 23 November 2018 7:57:39 PM
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But what about Obama and Hillarys destruction and abandonment of Libya? How many have drowned in the Med trying to escape that State Sponsored State murder?
Posted by McCackie, Saturday, 24 November 2018 7:23:33 AM
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The fake prophet Barack Hussein Obama literally bowed before the Saudis 9 years before Kashhoggi became a martyr. Obama (peace be upon him) knew that Saudis were going to kill Kashhoggi the false journalist ( scum of the dogs). He was given a suicide vest by Trump in 2010 and ordered to get the journo but disobeyed orders.
Obama bows his head in shame 3 times a day.
Posted by nicknamenick, Saturday, 24 November 2018 9:48:21 AM
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It gives me no pleasure to have to say this binroy, but I think I mostly agree with you on this one and the, over the top display of pious hypocrisy?
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Saturday, 24 November 2018 10:21:31 AM
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NNN. On the topic of Theresa May, as raised by you, the woman should grow a brain, appoint Boris as special envoy to negotiate on Britain's behalf?

If this cleverest (too clever by half) pommy pollie doesn't achieve and settle for an outcome all can live within, say in the next two weeks, then she will call another referendum? She needs to put this divisive, popinjay, back in his box and have him do it for her.
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Saturday, 24 November 2018 10:40:18 AM
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Alan B

Theresa May says the suspects in the killing will not be able to enter Britain and any visas they held would be "revoked today", adding that no ministers nor officials will be sent to Saudi investment conference. The Saudi royal riyal currency is still welcome.

Boris Johnson has quit as foreign secretary, claiming that the UK was headed “for the status of a colony" and may get convicts from Australia. Real bad ones will be sent to Saudi for flogging.
Posted by nicknamenick, Saturday, 24 November 2018 12:57:37 PM
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Does anyone know why he was knocked off ?
Posted by individual, Sunday, 25 November 2018 7:06:50 PM
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He brought in a pork pizza by mistake.
Posted by nicknamenick, Sunday, 25 November 2018 7:21:08 PM
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Some journalists are like a cancer to the body of society.
Posted by individual, Monday, 26 November 2018 7:13:49 AM
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Remembrance Day of Journalists Killed in the Line of Duty is observed on December 15 in Russia in memory of journalists who died while performing their professional duties. In Moscow the day is observed at Nikitsky Boulevard. According to representatives of the Union of Journalists of Russia, between 10 and 20 journalists are killed each year in Russia under various circumstances.
Putin has re-named it Thanksgiving Day and shoots a turkey as a warning shot.
Posted by nicknamenick, Monday, 26 November 2018 7:43:45 AM
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nicknamenick,
I can see both sides of the moral.
Posted by individual, Monday, 26 November 2018 1:40:30 PM
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Dead right . Fascist scribblers are ballotted in , scum journos get bulleted out. Fair enough eh.
Posted by nicknamenick, Monday, 26 November 2018 2:22:55 PM
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Hey individual,

"Does anyone know why he was knocked off ?"
- If you go to the youtube channel links I posted earlier you'll get closer to finding out.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Monday, 26 November 2018 3:39:21 PM
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http://youtu.be/4u0CGPT2VWA
Posted by Armchair Critic, Monday, 26 November 2018 3:49:50 PM
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Armchair critic,
After listening to that bloke for 5 minutes I had to turn it off. Trying to make a story of not having a clue what he should really be saying is simply unwatchable.
Posted by individual, Tuesday, 27 November 2018 8:41:00 PM
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Hey individual,
Maybe you misunderstand the nature of what George Webb's channel is all about.

It's not really a news video segment like regular tv news; it's something wholly different, and when you understand why it's different then you'll more easily understand why it is the way it is.

Firstly you have to understand that the world changed a lot.
Where real independent investigative journalism largely ceased to exist on normal corporate media recent years, many people took to starting their own channels on youtube because content creators video content on youtube get a share of ad revenue so it became an outlet to alternative media.

Youtube started censorship of alternative media channels forcing things to continue to change and evolve.

People started moving to / or using - Patreon.
http://www.patreon.com/

George Webb's channel is different in that it would be better described as a 'live online investigation' (rather than a news service) where the viewers themselves also also researchers in a collaborative public effort to uncover the truths behind Hillary and the Deep State.

Using online tools such as Trello:
http://trello.com/b/KdjpFSGS/dyncorp-crimes-by-country
http://trello.com/c/TIldcrhV/4-usaid

Then came topic specific communities such as reddit
http://www.reddit.com/r/TruthLeaks/

So when you watch that video, which was Day 52.2 and it's now Day 54.4 (It's actually about day 700 or 800 in total - maybe more)
- You're actually watching a long boring process of a live investigation so-to-speak unfold in a day to day format.

A few videos a day, sometimes many;
- As more information comes out, its been fact checked and scrutinised not just by George, but by others - a whole community of people dedicated to it.

So this might sound bad, but what your seeing probably wont make a lot of sense if you haven't been following and don't already have a background understanding on everything he's talking about.

Maybe above your pay grade, no offense.

RE Assange; They're using him as the tool to go after their political enemies and it's all just a big ruse to give themselves (co-conspirators) immunity and go after those who dared expose them.

http://www.businessinsider.com.au/mueller-emails-roger-stone-jerome-corsi-wikileaks-dump-russia-2018-11
Posted by Armchair Critic, Wednesday, 28 November 2018 9:35:58 AM
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[Cont.]
Some channels focus on different pieces of the puzzle.
'Sunday with Charles' on the 'Crowdsource the Truth' Youtube Channel focuses on charity fraud of The Clinton Foundation.
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8Cl9QaRtuW9CNjP7pP4BBQ/playlists

These recent episodes regards Libya are well worth watching.
In other words, watch it because if you don't know it - you don't know anything.
http://youtu.be/38SVUsRpqxg
Toppling Libya – More Conversation with the Moriartys Only Known Survivors of Al-Qaeda Capture
http://youtu.be/-dZd9Q-ZrC0

Jake from Blackstone Intelligence Network covers a range of different topics.
Try this: and tell me it's not a breath of fresh air getting REAL News.
- Not the biased one-sided crap you get served daily -
WAR ALERT - Russia & Ukraine Preparing for Full Scale Conflict
http://youtu.be/ucni4znC1IU
Posted by Armchair Critic, Wednesday, 28 November 2018 9:48:21 AM
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