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A genuine left would support Western Civilisation : Comments

By David McMullen, published 1/6/2018

I guess we are supposed to look back lovingly at all those civilisations that crumbled in the face of the western onslaught, for example, Czarist Russia, Qing China, Mughal India, Ottoman MENA and Aztec Mesoamerica.

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Continued: We have in our midst, folk like Adian who are patently committed to industrialization and turning back the clock to the 15th century or earlier? And engage economic expansion advocates like me in their predilection for pedantic absolutism. So as to divert the discussion away from areas he doesn't want? Like nuclear energy! Forget that it first and foremost carbon-free energy! Or that it's cleaner than coal, cheaper than coal and far safer than coal! As the historical record will indubitably show! Or that one unit of thorium contains the dispatchable energy, of one million hydrocarbon units! And the promise of energy a cheap as two-point nine eight cents per KwH! And truly affordable desalinated water, cheap enough for just about any broad scale irrigation project or massive infrastructure. Like a continent changing inland canal from the Gulf to the Gulf and back, so the enormous northern tides can propel shipping both ways! and lined with nuclear-powered desalination plants that turn the dead heart into an Eden or paradise able to support many more! INDEFINITELY!
And create a template the rest of the world can and will emulate. And in so doing, usher in a thousand years of peace and prosperity!
Always providing folk like Adian, who know beyond question, all the reasons it can't be done/won't work! Can get themselves and their obstinant dehumanising obstructionist selves out of the way!
Because the sad truth is. It's folks just like him who actively, in word and deed, who prevent it becoming our reality!
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Saturday, 2 June 2018 11:40:15 AM
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Wow! Very well explained, it seems to be great and beneficial.
Posted by adamthiel, Saturday, 2 June 2018 2:59:57 PM
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An interesting article. The Middle Ages were indeed a period of technical and political innovation in contrast to the previous Greco-Roman era. I'd agree that the Old Left wouldn't support cultural relativism and its toxic developments such as institutional multiculturalism and an obsession with 'Islamophobia' and 'anti-racism'.
Posted by mac, Saturday, 2 June 2018 4:13:27 PM
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Alan B
you say nuclear power < will create a template the rest of the world can and will emulate. And in so doing, usher in a thousand years of peace and prosperity! >

I find it hard to agree with that, given the wars we've had non stop for thousands of years.
Your point about desalinisation of water is a good one, but if we could cut the population of the world by half, down to three billion, by getting women access to contraception in male dominated societies, I think we would have plenty of food and water, less poverty, less carbon, and many less refugee camps and wars.
Better to fix the cause, then fool around with nuclear power.
The offspin from nuclear power has to be stored in facilities for 1,000years before it becomes radiation free, last I heard.
Correct me if Im wrong.
Im not against nuclear power but it too, has its risks.
As for mankind living in peace.
That'll be the day.
Humankind would have to change at the biological level before that happens.
I dont think that transformation will happen anytime in the forseeable future.
Posted by CHERFUL, Saturday, 2 June 2018 8:17:23 PM
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Back to commenting on this article.

Yes, the left is anti - Western, because of the teaching of Hippie ideology,which is really just an older name for globalist, communistic thinking. Embracing this ideology has caused the left to turn on their own people, by default, and bringing down their own countries, while believing they are saving mankind.

The Baby Boomers entrenched it in schools and universities, which have brainwashed
and confused a couple of generations.

The left wing politicians, in contrast to the working class lefties,rely on big pockets of migrant immigrants to keep them in power earning their huge salaries and pensions.

The right wing have a different reason for betraying western countries and their own societies, importing labour to make huge profits by holding down wages for the middle and working classes.

Self Interest in, making more money and holding power, is basically what is causing the traitorous behaviour, on both sides.
Posted by CHERFUL, Saturday, 2 June 2018 8:46:12 PM
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Cherful: Most wars have been fought, regardless of the given reason, over land, water and other finite resources.
That being so, energy that's available to all that the most impoverished third world can afford, changes everything!
Now, if the energy comes as it should from proposed MSR thorium and their desalinated water is provided via deionisation dialysis. And guarantees, no nation needs to starve or be dislocated due to enduring droughts or desertification!
And energy as cheap and abundant as MSR thorium means virtually every resource can be reused and recycled. And water pumped to strategic high points to ensure everyone that needs it including a fragile environment has all they need!
And only prevented by the stupid shylocks in our midst, who believe, erroneously. That some folk need to be worse off so they can wax fat and wealthy.
If we are to have a war? Then let it be on that terrible trio, waste, poverty and blind individual greed!
You can't live in more than one house, drive more than one car and wear one pair of shoes at any one time!
What we need for our very survival is learn how to both cooperate for our common good and the art of painless compromise!
Not everything we need has to generate a profit for the greedy, who instead, need to understand that by learning how to share one or two essentials, everyone, including them, will be vastly better off! And it starts with nuclear energy!
And endlessly sustainable fuels created by vacuuming CO2 directly from our oceans, then combining it with hydrogen extracted from the same source, to create all the fuel, fertilizers and plastics we could possibly want or use, unless or until we run out of seawater? And not hypothetical untried science!
Interestingly, as the CO2 is extracted from seawater, The water's affinity with CO2 means similar amounts are sucked out of the atmosphere! And decarb the earth's atmosphere long before we are ever troubled by this or that, critical tipping point!
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Saturday, 2 June 2018 10:25:20 PM
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