Trump would not be true to himself or his supporters if he did not ignore fruit loops like Macron and Merkel. And like any sensible person, he WOULD listen to Israel, whose very existence is constantly threatened by Iran.

The deal done by the U.S’s most awful president on record (although he probably ties with Jimmy Carter), Obama, was the most stupid thing that has ever occurred since Chamberlain’s 'peace in our time’. And Netanyahu's “stunts” are necessary and admirable in his gruelling, non-stop task of protecting his country.

Iran should be ostracised, not provided with anything at all, until the mad mullahs are removed and Iranians are able to choose a government that will treat them like human beings.

I'm sorry Alon, but I don't agree with your opinion this time. But see Trump a being a realist. It stands to reason as long as the world is a nuclear-armed camp. Some airhead somewhere will sooner or later use one to settle some perceive score or eliminate an ethnic community. To leave the rest of the world trembling in terrible trepidation wondering when it will be their turn or if they need to embrace an inherently evil belief system to avoid becoming the next target for annihilation? It seems to me, it would be better if those contemplating such action were the first to suffer from it and allow other to contemplate just how far they can go with the nuclear sabre rattling before they become its first casualties. And should some terror-supporting entity be that first casualty? Then some other nuclear-armed states may get the message? If they hold the nuclear sword over this or that nations head? That nation may well decide damned if we do or damned if we don't and launch a preemptive if limited strike that calls the aggressor's bluff? And better them than us especially if it leads to genuine worldwide nuclear disarmament Alan B.

All the more reason for Australia to accept another avalanche of homosexual Iranian refugees.

Writing in Quadrant Online today, Daryl McCann writes that the instigator of this stupid deal, Barack Obama, “was quite possibly the most dangerous Leader of the Free World imaginable”.

Hard to argue with that.

Iran was frightened stiff of Ronald Reagan. They are about to find out that Donald Trump is another U.S president they need to be frightened of. They can't take for him for a sucker as they did Obama.

Daryl McCann seems to be not aware that Obama was not the only signatory (besides Iran) to the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action.

Of interest in the halls of power in Iran and Turkey is today's very convivial meeting between Nethanyu And Putin. Who looked very much like newest best buddies when appearing together in public. And important given a nuclear-armed Israel could give Russia a bloody nose if they Russia, continue to meddle in the Middle East? Alan B.

Thank god Trump is unlikely to pay any attention to the ramblings of some academic, particularly one from an institution like NYU.

For a start, Trump unilaterally pulling out of the deal with Iran is yet another example warning that the US cannot be trusted to keep to their side of agreements made. Carries on assuming it is "exceptional" and acceptable if they break rules they expect others to abide by when expedient.

The reason for the US trying to come up with excuses to decertify the Iran deal is obviously largely due to strong influence on behalf of the Criminal Apartheid Zionist Settler State in Occupied Palestine. Trying to push the Zionist Occupying Government in the US to fight more battles on its behalf. As for the Israeli leader, if the same principles were applied to him as in the Nuremberg trails, undoubtedly there are charges he would be found guilty of and hanged. Nut Yahoo is currently behaving as leaders who are trouble politically in their own countries sometimes do. Trying to cause a war or some other crisis to get citizens to rally behind themselves. He has problems with likelihood of police in Israel pursuing serious charges against him. Recently I read a story of the Falkland Islands War in 1982. Reminder of how the military junta government in Argentina tried to detract from its own failings by launching an invasion they hoped would not be successfully challenged. At least loss of the war resulted in replacing of the junta with a relatively democratic government.

The State of Israel maintaining that Iran should not have access to nuclear weapons is the utmost in hypocrisy while it has a large stockpile of them after long trying to conceal their existence. Also, is not a signatory to the nuclear non proliferation treaty and extremely unlikely to allow the International Atomic Energy Agency to inspect what it has. Meanwhile, aggressive acts by Israel against what it claims are Iranian military facilities in Syria combined with the latest US policy is likely to have the opposite effect from that intended. ie Will encourage Iran to restart its nuclear weapons programme.

mox
<Criminal Apartheid Zionist Settler State in Occupied Palestine.>
Lies, lies and more lies.

<criminal> It is the Palestnians, with their criminal attacks on Israelie citizens, even bombing busload of schoolchildren a few decades ago, when the Istaelies were open to letting them live and work in Israel. in typical Arab islamic fashion, they began their suicide bombings against Israelie civilians.

<occupation> There was was the 6 day war, when 4 ir 5 Arab states attacked a peaceful Israel and got beaten in 6days. Attempted occupation and genocide by the Arabs.

<apartheid> Just have a look at the areas where Arabs who have migrated into Western and European countries. The Arabs set up their own sharia laws and practice wide spread aparthied in these countries.

In typical fashion they blame the Israelis for every thing they themselves do.
Twisted lliars, is what they reveal themselves to be, to anyone who knows the real history of the area

Dear Alon,

I'm afraid you failed to explore the fact that both of these egotistical throwbacks are under pretty serious investigations of corruption, nepotism and potentially criminality in their own countries.

The amount of diversionary value this move is to both Trump and Bibi should not be underestimated. The problem is that for their mindless faithful (some who you can see slide out from under their rocks on this forum) it will probably work a treat.

Ttbn & Alan,

"Iran should be ostracised ..... until the mad mullahs are removed .... " And how do you reckon that might happen ? Isn't it just possible that, with Trump's brilliant move, more Iranians will now fall in behind the conservatives in Iran, not to mention Russia and China ? That Rohani's position, as a relative reformer, is much more under threat ? The 'mad mullahs' will be stronger than ever ? Trump will belatedly crap his nappy when all that happens.

All Trump has to do now is pull out all US troops in Syria and the 'mad mullahs' will have a free hand to control all of the territory from Afghanistan to the Mediterranean, right up to Israel's borders. Certainly, there will be the possibility of an open war between the Sunnis and the Shi'ites, which will make what has already happened in Syria a sort of short prelude. Not to mention a war to the death between the Arabs and the Turks after that. Off course, the Kurds will be obliterated too. Gosh, what a genius.

Now where's my copy of Wedgwood' 'Thirty Years War' ? Yeah, thirty years might do it this time too.

Joe

"And important given a nuclear-armed Israel could give Russia a bloody nose if they Russia, continue to meddle in the Middle East?"

Putin would vaporise Tel Aviv if Israel nuked Russia.

Bibi went to Russia because he wanted something...

This whole thing feels like there's a big false flag coming.
Massive Iranian cyberattack (or some other similar fitting story) they could sell to justify a limited Israeli strike on Iran.

Hi AC,

Yeah, of all nuclear contests that are least likely, that between Israel and Russia is probably right up there. Not gonna happen. If Iran is much further along that generally supposed, then maybe a pre-emptive Israeli strike might make more sense, but Netanyahu is hardly likely to have telegraphed that to Putin. As you hint, there may be much more to all this toing and froing.

And one of the least likely scenarios surely is for Israel to get involved in a total-war between Sunnis (Saudis, Egyptians, etc.) and Shi'ites. If Trump pulls US troops out and it's all go, Israel surely would have enough sense to keep on the sidelines ? Barrack but don't join in ?

On the other hand, one might think, wouldn't Israel prefer to keep a lid on the whole thing, beg Trump to keep US buffer troops in Syria, not least to protect the poor bloody Kurds (who have done so much of the fighting against ISIS - remember ISIS ?) against Erdogan, and try to keep the Shi'ites fragmented, keep them busy in the Yemen, busy trying to funnel arms to Hamas ?

Or does every player think "Ah, it's my time now" ? Gosh, that's worked okay throughout history. And of course, it will be Syria that will be the playing field, again, in this case.

Joe

Netanyahu's visit might've had something to do with Russian S300's in Syria.

"If Iran is much further along than generally supposed..."

http://youtu.be/4NCncdy89Q4
Watch this one too for some backstory.
http://youtu.be/xmXsPyyORIg

There are many videos on George Webb's channel with relevant info and often I can't find info again easily.

Syria Plan A was proxy war using jihadists to overthrow Assad, when that didn't work it Syria Plan B was back the Kurds and also that botched coup on Erdogan.

I think Iran probably is seeking nuclear technology, not necessity just for missiles but also nuclear propulsion systems for subs and carriers.

They say 'Death to America' and 'Death to Israel' but I think that's just more for their own people and governments sake.
Everyone wants to have a nuclear deterrent, but they also know there will be hell to pay (their own destruction) for using it.

Iran does have reasons to be paranoid, after all they were on Wesley Clarks '7 Wars in 5 years' neoconservative hit-list.

Why, Netanyahu and Putin are genuinely good mates with common interests and their conversation must have included the moving of the Russian embassy to Jerusalem - Russia was the first to recognise Western Jerusalem as Israel's capital!

Russia's interest is to control Syria and gain access to the Mediterranean. Assad is just a harmless puppet, but not Iran, nor Turkey for that matter and Putin has no interest to keep Iran and Turkey as "partners": he wants Syria all for himself.

While the USA is tired of the Middle-East and wants to withdraw, Israel and Russia become natural allies. After all, Russia (then U.S.S.R) was Israel's best ally in 1948, before America stepped into that role. America just broke its word on Iran, so it may well break its word on protecting Israel: Netanyahu is wise in starting to prepare for the day-after-Trump.

Yuyutsu
I dont think Russia wants Syria for themselves, so much as they dont want threatening neighbours.
Assuad has been a non-threatening neighbour to Russia, for decades, and I dont think Putin liked the idea of Potential hostile forces as Russian neighbours.
Better the devil you know than unknown Sunni and shi-ite forces especially Isis who are also Sunni.
Assaud being on Friendly terms with Russia probably does allow friendly access
to trade and resources, possibly pipelines, why would Russia want hostile enemy neighbours.
All humans and countries are mainly driven by self interest.

This war is about oil and gas pipelines. Russia has a strategic interest not just because of its naval port in Tartus but also from an economic point of view, because these pipelines would affect Europe's reliance on Russian oil and gas.