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People of faith deserve honesty and respect from Australia’s political class : Comments

By Greg Donnelly, published 26/2/2018

From the robust 'get stuffed, tell'em they're dreamin' position to 'no plans' to change the existing arrangements seems to be opening up some wriggle room.

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Alan B: Not that this has much to do with the topic but, BE VERY CAREFUL WITH THE GENETIC ARGUMENT.

As has been explained to you before, the genetic argument for homosexuals opens up a Pandora's Box of problems. The reason why is because many behaviours and predilections of people have a genetic component (this should be no surprise and rather obvious). However, some of these behaviours are not acceptable by the majority and if encouraged may have a negative outcome on innocent others or a detrimental outcome on society as a whole. But if you accept the genetic argument then you also must accept that these other behaviours are acceptable if you wish to remain logically consistent.

Here's some such examples:
-Male aggression and violence (there is no scientific doubt at all that males broadly across mammalian species are genetically wired to be generally more violent and aggressive than the females)
-Pychopathy; there is a considerable amount of accumulated evidence that some people are born without empathy and thus have a tendency to pychopathic behaviour.
-Pedophilia; again there is some evidence (not as much as for psychopathy) that some people have a genetic bais for pedophilia

Now, once you allow the genetic argument to accpet a more or less benign behaviour (such as homosexuality) then here's how else it could be used:
A man bashed his wife to death, but the society has to accept this because the wife provoked him and he responded just as dictated by his genes.
A child is raped by a pedophile, but that's all OK, because it was "in the genes" of the perpetrator.

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Posted by thinkabit, Monday, 26 February 2018 11:11:28 AM
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-- continued from above --

Do you now see why it is such a terrible idea to use it? Don't use it! Use something else instead. It is easy to construct an argument for allowing homosexuality and attendant issues such as SSM without having to resort to the genetic argument. For example, an equality argument based on the premise that people are independent agents who have the right to live their own lives without interference from others and should be free to do whatever they want with others as long as it is consensual and doesn't hurt any other 3rd party.
Posted by thinkabit, Monday, 26 February 2018 11:12:04 AM
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No I won't be careful with the genetic argument, given it has the backing of credible peer reviewed medical science and the recent discoveries of world leading geneticist Alan Sanders and his highly credentialed team!

There are two now known and identified genes particular to homosexuals and probably three more and found near the lower end of the DNA double helix spiral! Quote, unquote.

And stop expecting others to do your research for you!

The fact that the resident, brainwashed from birth, Homophobes can't or won't even look at or accept the medically proven science based evidence, by no means dispells or disproves it!

And they can't! Because they and their spurious arguments that homosexuallity is a preferred and chosen lifestyle, doesn't have a credible medical science based leg to stand on!

Albeit, a minority of rebels with a cause, chose to live different hedonistic lifestyles, if they are so inclined?

All that proves is, accepted social conventions matter little to social exiles/social lepers!

If devout christians believe their God created us and in his own image? They cannot in all good christian conscience cast out or estrange those ever so slightly different, through no fault of their own!

A perfect God all powerful and everywhere present just doesn't make mistakes?

And for all we know has created these variations to test us/you? Or the resident homophobes, book burners and bigots? And if the cap fits?

If you won't look at the credible evidence? Why expect a respectful debate from me? Just keep trumpeting your patent bigotry from the rooftops and stand in final judgement, (as satan's servants) on your day of final judgement, to answer for the harm you've done, caused or initiated!
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Monday, 26 February 2018 12:35:22 PM
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Forget about they dont hire poofs and lessoes.
I think the govenment should go even further and completely close down all church and faith based schools of brainwashing, indoctrination and propaganda.
Posted by mikk, Monday, 26 February 2018 12:35:25 PM
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'A child is raped by a pedophile, but that's all OK, because it was "in the genes" of the perpetrator.

The perpetrator is killed by the parents and that's OK because it's in the genes of the parents.

It's not that the genetic argument is invalid it's that it is never allowed to follow through, because someone always introduces a law to circumvent it
Posted by Special Delivery, Monday, 26 February 2018 12:35:54 PM
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Typical of the resident homophones to lump in psychopaths, male aggression and paedophiles, [many in the CHRISTIAN priesthood,] as having the same gene differentiation as non violent non child predatory gays; as if the same genes cause or create all of it!? AND THEY DON'T!

I just don't know what genetic variation if any, would allow, even an enebriated adult male to even consider,let alone, rape a two year old child, but london to a brick, none of them gay!

Given how far some are willing to stray from the facts, compelling evidence and proven medical science just to support a bigot's argument! End of story and respectful debate!
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Monday, 26 February 2018 12:55:43 PM
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