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Checking sources should be as simple as ABC : Comments

By Jennifer Marohasy, published 20/2/2018

It would be ridiculous if some of the catastrophic global warming so often reported by experts via our ABC were just a consequence of a new method of recording temperatures!

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I've laid out what I believe is how we might get our power bills down to less than 2 cents per kilowatt hour and with proven road tested technology.

Have no interest in subsidising renewables ever and given they're getting so cheap? Ought be able to compete in an open market that includes thorium, Jenny.

Suggest you fact check by reading Ivy league Professor (ret) Economist Robert Hargreaves's book, Thorium cheaper than coal, where he quotes $00.1.98 as the median PKH. And carbon free thorium as reliable base load power.

Energy that cheap, would also put most coal fired projects out of business unless they were subsidised or otherwise protected from market forces?

It would also massively turbocharge our economy while simultaneously mitigating against man made climate change!

You could also listen to former NASA scientist and nuclear technologist, Kirk Sorensen, who is one of a handful of scientist given unfettered access to all the records and notes of the scientists, who ran and thoroughly road tested the walk away safe, molten salt, thorium reactor at Oak Ridge Tennessee, way back in the fifties and sixties, without accident or incident. And indeed some of those scientists!

And very timely as "they" were about to destroy those same valuable records pertaining to literal years of valuable research! And here we were thinking it was only Nazis that burned books/knowledge?

Finally, but only if you want the plain unvarnished truth Jennifer? Read Torium, Super fuel, subtitled, green energy, by prize winning investigative Journalist Richard Martin. And who pulls no punches in putting some of the fallacious claims emanating from big nuclear, back in their box?

As they see their own demise in the acceptance and rollout of Thorium, the most energy dense material on the planet and so abundant as to light it all up for thousands of years.

Nobody, but nobody, should be protected from free and fair competition!
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Tuesday, 20 February 2018 11:47:28 AM
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Alan B

I'm puzzled by your comment: "Mercury is not accurate to the ninth degree but varies with variable atmospheric pressure."

There is no doubt that modern probes are inherently more accurate and responsive than mercury in glass, the latter being dependent on the human eye and sometimes in the past read deliberately to the nearest whole or half degree, and dubiously to a normally intended tenth of a degree (not easy). Metrification in 1972 and conversion from F (more commonly read to integers and half-degrees) to C is another issue. All PART of the calibration etcetera problems that Dr Marohasy has touched on.

Could you please let us know how the mercury is affected by atmospheric pressure. It is an incompressible fluid and the variation in atmospheric pressure in percentage terms is also rather small. Does a tiny change in atmospheric pressure alter the thermal properties of the metal or compress the glass tube and change its bore diameter or length?

Of course there are substantial other variables that alter the response times of most temperature sensors, different types differently, wind speed being a big one.
Posted by Bob Fernley-Jones, Tuesday, 20 February 2018 11:53:35 AM
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Either warmth thaws or melts ice and snow, or it doesn't.
Most people would agree that it does.

While natural variability does occur in the Arctic, it does not explain the trend lines going back to 1980 when satellites began providing data. Prior to satellites, some data was supplied by submarines.
There are continual reports over many years about multi year ice being lost.
There are reports about sea ice thickness decreasing.
THe volume of sea ice is also going down.

For the first time ever a tanker, the Eduard Toll was able to transit the Arctic in the winter of 2017/18 without the use of an ice breaker. The Eduard Toll would not have been able to travel the Arctic without major changes in Arctic sea ice.

As Alan stated, Greenland is melting away.

https://interestingengineering.com/lng-tanker-crosses-arctic-in-winter-without-an-ice-breaker-for-the-first-time

How that can be explained by deniers?
Posted by ant, Tuesday, 20 February 2018 12:32:25 PM
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I humbly suggest you do what your article suggests Marohasy people not into your version of Right wing IPA groupthink
You typical of the people who back you, a little knowledge is a dangerous thing in the hands of the pig ignorant IPA, I find it funny how all the nutters come out of Queensland you Hanson,Joyce ect
The IPA,how do you describe a beast with no creditably,dotted with fellows? one of whom Nahan by name one of the illustrious IPA who is not unknown to Marohasy,along with Barnett led the Lib to a huge electoral defeat in WA
What you burble on about consists of IPA/Koch funded rubbish & when you get published you get taken apart by people who actually have some idea what they are talking about,which you writing/talking on climate change you dont
All of the IPA fellows what qualification do you have to have to be an IAP fellow,lots of money,an undying love of Murdoch the phone hacker what ever happened to your partner in BS at News Lloyd
Posted by John Ryan, Tuesday, 20 February 2018 1:16:37 PM
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For a completely different perspective why not read two essays titled There Is No Time Left, and Global Warming Zaps Oxygen by Robert Hunziger.
Posted by Daffy Duck, Tuesday, 20 February 2018 1:31:44 PM
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ANT,

What is typically misleading in your assertions is that the LNG tanker that you refer to is not the first and that IT IS AN ICEBREAKER VESSEL in itself, recently built in Korea, and as intended it does not require to be escorted by a conventional icebreaker. Educate yourself by searching this text:

"Launch of Teekay’s First Icebreaker LNG Carrier"
Posted by Bob Fernley-Jones, Tuesday, 20 February 2018 2:01:42 PM
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