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Heretical thoughts about science and society : Comments

By Don Aitkin, published 15/12/2017

'A favorite word of Freeman's about doing science and being creative is the word 'subversive'.'

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Accept big bang and evolution as science then you also believe in Santa and fairy tales. No wonder people swallow the man made gw myth.
Posted by runner, Friday, 15 December 2017 10:17:24 PM
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Discovery isn't the only aspect of science. There's also reconfiguring your formulas and inventions to be better then they were before. Those reconfiguring usually lead to making an older concept into (hopefully) a better invention. But on the point of discovery, it is worth it to go out of your comfort zone. Test other theories, or to make a mess of things to just see what happens, then try to figure out why. (Instead of the other way of try to figure out why something occures before seeing that it actually happens that way). And discovery isn't about conclusions, so unfortunately it is also not as easily approached. But refining conclusions and testing conclusions are also part of the science enviornments. It's not all about discovery anymore. Maybe it never was and that was always the rarer element.

As for being heretical, I'd challenge that a bit. Instead of just being heretical and be on your own, why not take the scope of something forign in your community and take the work of others to see if they hold merrit or not. Personally I'd like to see medical studies on acupuncture. The field of acupuncture is old enough and refined in it's aporoach and results to hold merit. But there is more study on a pill to relieve an issue then there are other remedies. If there was a challenging model of thought in other fields of study like there is in medicine, then it would be good to take on those models from the expertise of those who are in those fields to do it well. Then study that and put the science to it's unknown worlds. Rediscover what has been discovered and let the experts of the field be the teachers instead of scientists. Let the scientists test it but over all be students.
Posted by Not_Now.Soon, Saturday, 16 December 2017 4:51:26 AM
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Yup. We've always had EXPERTS who knew why it couldn't or wouldn't be done wouldn't work wasn't true!

And none more heretical than the flat earth society in London.

I heard a story which had Richard Brampton taking a high ranking flat earther from said society, for a free ride in one of his low orbit space craft.

Only to be offered congratulations upon landing, for the remarkable special effects and life like graphics which were at least as good as those bogus moon landing, videos.

Without question there are some folks for who, no amount of credible evidence will sway? But like doubting Thomas, must put their very hands in the wounds!

For years the tobacco industry told us tobacco was benign even as their own scientists painted a compelling and opposite picture in the boardroom but like true heretics, another when addressing any public forum. Ditto the asbestos industry and now the oil companies/marketeers!

Heresy being repeating falsehoods, when all the substantiated evidence shouts else!

i.e., What you get during a typical waning phase of the sun is a cooler period of indeterminate length, that could include another ice age!

Just not what we are having or have had! i.e., Record heat waves and record ice melts!

If that's abuse? Then add me to the list of alleged abusers and don't respond!

And given you're never ever going to say or allegedly think ought else? No point anyway!
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Saturday, 16 December 2017 10:13:19 AM
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"I'm the only heretic here with an entirely unconventional point of view?"
There are no thorium reactors producing power , no complete designs and so no way to quote their price of electricity. Unconventional view to say the opposite with good graphics and effects. Flat earth or flat-out fibs?
Posted by nicknamenick, Saturday, 16 December 2017 10:29:31 AM
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NNN. Got your knickers in a nasty knot haven't you? And even when the topic was not raised, you had to target thorium? Which is nicely encapsulated by Richard Martin, prize winning investigative journalist and in his book, Super fuel, subtitled green energy.

Or worse get online, to look at a documentary on the fully operational Oak Ridge reactor at Tennessee. Where those interested can look at a video that includes, the physical plans and then watch as the parts are assembled as a complete reactor.

[Something you must prevent at all costs!]

The one that ran for over four years without accident or incident, and designed to run until the fuel was burnt and the fluorine electronically reprocessed onsite, to avoid some of the nasties caused by a premature shut down?

Which in normal operation would have been intended as a safe, temporary pause for maintenance, rather than a permanent shut down?

Finally, read or listen to and watch nuclear scientist Kirk Soresen and Thorium in four minutes. Or five minutes, or the entire google tech talk. Available for anyone bright enough to ignore the risible rubbish and ramblings of a passionate, passive anti nuclear advocate!

[Its a clever technique, just trying your best to sound like a refugee from a No Name Nuthouse!]

Moreover they can see a schematic of the 350 MW FUJI molten salt reactor if the want to download a free, "The case for thorium", PDF!

If only to prove just how duplicitous you MHAZE and a few others, Not Normal Numbskulls, have been in this space.

Fortunately the most important people, investors. Are persuaded by pragmatism and the precautionary principle, even if that means we have to buy our reactors from china and assemble them here? As proposed, it seems, by our largest energy supplier.

You'd be forgiven for believing banks the IMF and large energy suppliers, would have done a very thorough, evidence based, due diligence, before proposing or embarking on similar carbon free, cheaper than coal, heretical, thorium based ventures?
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Sunday, 17 December 2017 7:59:07 AM
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Hey Alan got any thorium reactors mate . Just 1 , cheapy second hand DIY Bunnings carport kit will do. $1.98 PkwHACGST Bitcoin low-fat teflon organic work-for-the-dole.
Posted by nicknamenick, Sunday, 17 December 2017 8:07:27 AM
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