Never mind that contrary to all of the christian religious hype the benighted world-view promoted by the Australian and the Murdoch media altogether is completely and utterly god less. Or put i

Isnt that completely obvious!

As such the Australian actively promotes the "culture" of death that now patterns the entire humanly created world-mummery.

Has anyone ever noticed that many/most of the christian scribblers that are featured in the Australian have either direct of indirect links to both the deeply misogynist outfit opus dei and to right-wing christians in the USA. The same stridently self-righteous christians who enthusiastically endorsed the totally un-christian Donald Trump for President.

These 3 references sum up the applied politics that the Australian actually promotes, both in the past and now in the 21st century.
http://www.dartmouth.edu/~spanmod/mural/panel13.html
http://www.dartmouth.edu/~spanmod/mural/panel21.html
http://www.logosjournal.com/hammer_kellner.htm

Plantagenet, the one-eyed King from the land of the blind!

Keese: The most recent was undertaken this year. Instead of asking what is the person's religion' the question became 'What religion do you currently practise or identify with?' The Mccrindle survey also adds an option for 'spiritual but not religious'.

They really should have added a, “Couldn’t give a stuff really.” Option.

Keese: On the other hand, people with no religious belief can have a clear sense of right and wrong and join with Christians as strong campaigners for the rights of refugees and the less privileged.

& join with strong campaigners against what they recognize as a clear & present danger in allowing mahommedeans in to Australia to force us to change our Culture because it offends them.

Keese: What 'God' means differs for Sunni or Shia; for Catholic, Protestant or Orthodox Christians; for Orthodox or Liberal Jews. Religions and countries have gone to war over opposing claims to know what God wants.

The God is the same for people of all Religions. It’s just the Dogma & the insistence of, “OurDogma is better than yours.” That is the problem.

Keese: There are many both inside and outside churches today trying to put into practice what it means to 'love your neighbour as yourself'.

That is correct, but the Religious do go out of their way to condemn the non-religious.

Keese: Yes, there is some militant intolerance on the left, but this is also clearly demonstrated in the writings of these conservative critics.

Some, is an understatement. Most people on the Right are reasonable & demonstrably moderate with a few violent DH’s thrown in. On the other hand most Lefties who show up at Demonstrations are very vocal & violent. They blame the Right for their acts of violence. There are a few moderate Lefties who stand back in the shadows loading the guns for the violent ones.

Of course, as usual, we'll never hear from Keese.

On Dyson Heydon.
Nobody seems to have noticed the irony of the company that he keeps and the propaganda outfit where he gave his speech re how the "elites" have supposedly undermined christian belief and institutions in Australia.

He IS a member of the elite.
You cant get much more elite than a High Court judge!

The outfit where he gave his speech was created by and actively supported by members of the elites both in NSW and Australia altogether.

Probably without exception all of those who attended his speech are members of the various Australian elites. Members of the media (especially from team Murdoch), legal business and commerce, various university professors and academics, establishment "religious" figures both protestant and "catholic", and probably heads of elitist "independent" schools.

1. The survey did have a question ‘I do not identify with any religion or spiritual belief’ and got a 32% response.
2. Those identifying as Muslims make up 2% of the population and the ones I know came to Australia to avoid religious fundamentalism and because they belief in democracy. There is no way in a democracy where 2% can force any change.
3. I find ‘God” a very complex term and, like the word “Love” only has meaning within a particular context, in this case within the practice and belief of a particular religion.
4. Some religious condemn non-religious but the reverse happens just as often – read some of the other posts!
5. We always need to define how we are using “Right” and “Left”. I consider myself centre-left and believe the violent left are as much fascists as the violent right. (But of course ‘fascists’ is itself a loaded word.
6. So you have heard from me.

Ian

Fascism almost always was applied to extreme right wing, Bible bashing, fundamentalism. Never extreme left wing fundamentalism, which manifests as fanatical Godless communism. Ultra simplistic labelling one as the other!? Just doesn't change that!

And neither group able look at and reflect on any credible evidence that proves them wrong!

But like a drowning man clutching a straw, whenever it agrees with a particular, carved in stone, brainwashed from birth, confirmation bias.

We don't need to look elsewhere for cogent examples? Plenty of mouth frothing (Pavlov dog conditioning) here at home!

As for just 2% affecting others. The loudest don't have to be numerous. Just completely recalcitrant, intransigent and diametrically opposed to the belief and culture of the host nation! As thy seek to out breed them and assisted by a simple migration strategy?

Go somewhere else, create ghettos/enclaves! Pretend to blend in while always finding fault, with the host culture/religious belief/conviction and political establishments? And easy enough?

If we have enough self serving, pious crooks in business, our churches and parliaments?

And given that's so? Makes 2% plenty and the host culture easily replaced or supplanted, as has happened in many parts of Asia. Where the domino effect worked just as well for Islam, as was proposed for communism?

The difference? We noticed the commies and their armies, before they got too strong a foothold?
Alan B.