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Why Trump is right in recognizing Jerusalem as Israel's capital : Comments

By Alan Dershowitz, published 12/12/2017

Obama's decision to change that policy was not based on American interests or in the interests of peace. It was done out of personal revenge against Prime Minister Netanyahu.

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Nonsense, risible rubbish, bird's fur, horse feathers and bah humbug!
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Tuesday, 12 December 2017 8:06:20 AM
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The outrageously one-sided Security Council resolution declared that "any changes to the 4 June 1967 lines, including with regard to Jerusalem," have "no legal validity and constitutes a flagrant violation under international law."

Really , they talked like that. The ruined temple was abandoned in the 6 centuries after 70AD and there's no divine intervention since 1948 to re-start the cattle and sheep sacrifices . It's an un-holy shrine and so Israelis must be unholy . As well as illegal.
Posted by nicknamenick, Tuesday, 12 December 2017 8:22:15 AM
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I know Trump is right, Alan Dershowitz, but there is nothing that you can say that will convince the likes of Allan B and his anti-Semitic friends. Fortunately, Trump will do what Trump wants to do - which, thankfully, is what most decent, intelligent people approve of.
Posted by ttbn, Tuesday, 12 December 2017 8:46:29 AM
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My advice to the people of Israel: choose your enemies wisely and your friends even wiselier. And don't imagine for a second that the Trumpenfuhrer has your best interests at heart. Trump only cares about Trump.
Posted by Toni Lavis, Tuesday, 12 December 2017 8:54:14 AM
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The Jews were connected with Jerusalem 2,000 years before Islam even existed. Muslims should have absolutely no say. And, they don't: that's why they always resort to violence.
Posted by ttbn, Tuesday, 12 December 2017 9:33:12 AM
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It is good to see a truthful and reasonable article on this topic.
The baseless, dishonest and abusive opposition to it, by Alan (Verbal diarrhoea) B, gives us further confidence in it, because Alan is consistently 100% wrong.
Trump is making a great effort in undoing the mischief of the racist, incompetent black dunce.
Posted by Leo Lane, Tuesday, 12 December 2017 10:55:48 AM
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"The Arabs are first mentioned in the mid-ninth century BC as tribal people in eastern and southern Syria, and the north of the Arabian Peninsula"
Some minority groups in right-wing Australia support the law , s44 and car registration. 99% of liberal central patriotic main-streamer
baby-boomers follow Unca Donald and shoot judges on sight.
Posted by nicknamenick, Tuesday, 12 December 2017 11:07:48 AM
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In 1995 by a huge majority the Jerusalem Act was voted for in Congress.

Clinton acknowledged Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, as did Bush Number Two and Obama, the Arabs have an issue with that.

The Arabs, and their so-called leaders, need to understand that President Trump said Jerusalem, with borders to be decided, but like the raving idiots they are, started rioting.

Maybe they should listen to Nikki Haley at the UN.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZbUEK6QXa
Posted by SF, Tuesday, 12 December 2017 11:18:38 AM
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U.S. Consulate General Jerusalem with borders to be decided, Address.
David Flusser St 14, Jerusalem with borders to be decided, 9378322.
Israel with settlements , tank positions and bombing ranges to be decided.
Posted by nicknamenick, Tuesday, 12 December 2017 11:23:58 AM
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Yet another reinforcement of Israel as the world`s number one terrorist state.
Do unto others, the Palestinians, as others, the Nazis, did unto you.
Fair is fair after all.
Posted by ateday, Tuesday, 12 December 2017 12:24:07 PM
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Yet another reinforcement of Israel as the world`s number one terrorist state.

Yet another reinforcement of dumbed down leftist have become.
Posted by runner, Tuesday, 12 December 2017 12:48:05 PM
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Let's agree that the sons and daughters of Abraham have a legitimate claim that may well exceed 3,000 years? Not in dispute.

Therefore, those of his descendants who remained there and steadfast as landholding inheritors would have a legitimate, "God gave this land to me claim"? Right?

And given both Arab and Jew are genetic cousins who can trace their lineage to the same genetic source! What gives the migrant interlopers and land thieves/occupiers superior rights? What?

There's no end in sight to this bitter blood soaked fight, unless it includes, genuinely unpalatable compromise on both sides and by them and them alone, without any American imprimatur!

And that probably means a divided Jerusalem?

And the roll back of the illegal settlements and their migrant squatters!

What is needed is a circuit breaker and that circuit breaker is likely to be?

Abundant clean safe cheap reliable energy, and abundant potable water and both available with and dependant on the roll-out of tested molten salt, thorium power!

As opposed to the mindless pursuit of unobtainable goals!
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Tuesday, 12 December 2017 1:04:45 PM
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Alan B.
Another item for another day, but Israeli communities built in area C of Judaea and Samaria are not illegal. I suggest you read up on the Oslo Accords, which Arafat signed with Israel. That land will be swapped for other land, when and if the Arabs want peace, but they don't.
There lies the crux of the matter.
The other problem is that if Mahmoud Abbas even dares to try, he's a dead man.
Posted by SF, Tuesday, 12 December 2017 1:19:48 PM
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When has any peoples other than Jews had Jerusalem as their capital ?
The Muslims have put themselves in a no win situation.
It was not a capital but a province of Syria as part of the Ottoman empire.
They cannot deny anything in the Koran under sentence of death.
The Koran states that any land occupied by muslims remains muslim forever.
Therefore the Arab occupation of Jerusalem at the time of the crusades
and the Arab invasion of Mesopotamia means that Jerusalem is
moslem and remains so forever.

Having occupied Jerusalem and Judea they would be executed for blasphemy
if they agreed that there was anyplace for Jews anywhere.
That is why Abbas and the Gaza mob can NEVER agree to a compromise.

It sounds like Trump and the US government has realised this and has
no interest in continuing this farce any longer.
Posted by Bazz, Tuesday, 12 December 2017 1:20:43 PM
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Old Jewish homes in C are legal , the illegal settlements are illegal says Israel's court.

"Jewish population in Area C is administered by Judea and Samaria Area administration, whereas Palestinian population is directly administered by Coordinator of Government Activities in the Territories and indirectly by the Palestinian National Authority in Ramallah. Area C, excluding East Jerusalem, is home to 385,900 Israeli settlers and approximately 300,000 Palestinians."
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Quran does not prevent Jewish government:
"And We said thereafter to the Children of Israel,
"Dwell securely in the land (of promise)":
But when the second of the warnings came to pass,
We gather you together in a mingled crowd.

surah 17:101-104 Al Isra' (The Night Journey) . Some commentators understand the second warning to be the Day of Judgment, the Promise of the Hereafter.

Abdullah Yusuf Ali, The Holy Qur'n, p. 703.
"Quran explicitly refers to the return of the Jews to the Land of Israel before the Last Judgment".
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Capital cities don't belong to an ethnic group. Brussels was anciently the capital of Belgium which does not stop EU using it. Invading Belgium was bad in 1914 and 1940 . Belgians went to war and land grabs were illegal . A few Australians fired a couple of rounds.
Posted by nicknamenick, Tuesday, 12 December 2017 1:52:39 PM
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The forthright ttbn.
One fourth right.
Three fourths wrong.
The majority of the time.
Posted by ateday, Tuesday, 12 December 2017 5:18:20 PM
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Well, some might argue and do, that dispossessed Islamists, have no kick back or equal before the law, Justice, when their land is resumed, shall we say, by the conquering invader?

And even if you agree with that premise or that some section of Israel, was and remains exclusively Jewish enclaves? And for all time?

On whose authority? Israeli courts? Even where they disagree with the UN or the international court in the Hague?

What then of displaced Christians who've lived nowhere else for the alleged 3,000 plus years on inherited land? And can trace their genetic origins right back to Abraham and; not ever diluted with various European bloodlines as in many of the allegedly returning Jewish families!?

What of the dispossessed Christians!? Coptic and Orthodox. And in their claimed hundreds of thousands! What then of them?

Is it okay for their ancestral land and from the time of Abraham to be "resumed" with the alleged imprimatur of the occupier's court?

Who claim then that it's all legal?

There's only one peaceful means to end this crap and that is for the commercial boycott to not only continue but ramp up and ramped up until the Israeli Leadership or those pulling their strings?

Chose a different course of action and come to the realisation that there's no other course than peaceful cohabitation and settling for what you are given rather than take!

And just because you can as you replicate the Nazi occupation of a conquered Poland and any other annexed by force of arms, country?

The two sides need to sit down and state their final position and then see what they need to give up (tit for tat) to end this never ending bloodletting that can only ever end badly.

As for Mr Trump?

He'll be fine on the very top of Trump towers, listening to a rousing rendition of the 1812 overture and remaining untouched and untouchable?

Behind the wall that is the US military. And the undisputed Lord and Master of all he surveys! And is yet to acquire?
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Tuesday, 12 December 2017 7:00:18 PM
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Seems to me it was an excellent move by Trump to recognise Jerusalem as Israel's capital. Has served very well to draw attention to the nature of the Criminal Zionist Apartheid Settler State in Occupied Palestine and its main sponsors, those who wield power in the USA. Trump and Netanyahu have been the only world leaders to publicly support it while their has been widespread condemnation and protests from many governments and organisations throughout the world. Then there have been a number of reasons pointed out why it is technically illegal anyway. However, these criminal governments have long been ones who carry on as if they are "exceptional" and standards others largely expect do not apply to them.
Posted by mox, Tuesday, 12 December 2017 11:02:36 PM
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"About 994,000 Hispanics reside in New Mexico USA, . New Mexico's population is 48% Hispanic,"

It's half ethnic Saxon , Italian and French with about half Mexican. Venezuala may move its embassy from Mexico City to the capital Santa Fe . The Great Wall of Trump will be demolished by Mexican bulldozers.
Posted by nicknamenick, Wednesday, 13 December 2017 9:14:38 AM
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Here's how you do it....
You pick a position you wish to defend....then you justify it.
The very fact that the need for justification, in itself, represents the weakness of the argument.
One and the same law for all,...... or no law for any, you can't cherry pick what is convenient at the time.
The Australian aboriginals were dispossessed by force....do they get it all back or not?....and I'm not talking about in the form of centrelink payments
Solve that one.... and you can apply the same formula to all else.
Start using 'yeah but!'to the argument and you can forget the exercise and go back to your Woman's Weekly.
Puleeze spare me the BS logic based on religion, the unseen, unknown and yet to be proven within the boundaries of science and humanity
Posted by ilmessaggio, Thursday, 14 December 2017 10:56:41 AM
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Aboriginal peoples have always lived in Sydney .There are about 29 clan groups of the Sydney metropolitan area referred to collectively as the Eora Nation. ‘Eora’ means ‘here’ or ‘from this place’. As the town of Sydney developed into a city, the Gadigal were joined by other Aboriginal people from around NSW to build the urban Aboriginal capital. There was a growing political activism within Sydney’s Aboriginal community .The suburb of Redfern is the capital with embassies from Iceland , the Commonwealth of Australia, Palestinian Empire, Google and Mongolian Dance Company.
Posted by nicknamenick, Thursday, 14 December 2017 11:18:44 AM
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