Dear David,

«the following reference shows just how misconstrued religion can get»

Obviously disturbing and the Catholic church is unfortunately known for centuries of temporal control and/or collusion with temporal authorities.

The question is whether any religion is still left within that church, for how can you blame religion for the crimes of what remains a religion only by name?

Atheism has done us a disservice.
It attacks religion, and does nothing to support society.
The Church is losing against perversion.
Every other species of human has become extinct, and we now see the way it can happen to us, through attack on our society from within.
We need religion to evolve into a protection for our species, by development of our natural esoteric life.
Our efforts should be stimulated, not weakened, by the weakening of the god principle, and the attack on our society of the highly organised perverts, which our political leaders, in their disgusting ignorance, have welcomed.

Our society is in a dangerous state

Leo Lane,

Atheism is a response to a claim, not a worldview. You apear to be complaining about something else entirely.

When you can provide evidence for your god, perhaps then you can start ridiculing people for not believing in it. Until then, I don't see how gullibility could ever be preferable to a healthy scepticism.

Hey Yuyutsu,
"The most important difference between atheists and Christians is not that they believe/disbelieve in a supernatural being but that Christians know that they are sinners and atheists do not."

That's not necessarily true, and I'll explain why.

A Christian person would write things off as 'Gods Will'.
A Non-Christian person might see the same thing as a 'Man's Will'.
- So Christians actually have ignorance of Man's sin built in.

You don't have to be religious to be a good person.

Sells earlier referred to his crowd as saved - quietly proclaiming himself as 'better than others'
- Don't count your chickens, you ain't passed Judgement Day yet.

What make's you think all you have to do is 'believe in Jesus' and you get free entry to the promised land.
What if you become all seeing and all knowing in the afterlife and heaven or hell is how you have to live with what you did in life?

What if there is no real forgiveness?

Jesus spoke in parables right?
The one sin that cannot be forgiven is blaspheme against the holy ghost.
What if the holy ghost is your conscience and the real lesson is not to go against your conscience?
An eternity of living with the results of your own choices in this life and how they affected others, willful ignorance, sins and all.

Don't be so ignorant and self righteous, dear Christians.
Nobody knows what heaven and hell are, if they exist.
Better to hope for the best and plan for the worst.

Christians aren't necessarily any closer to true consciousness than anyone else, they can be just as ignorant of things; and if not more, in many cases.

Dear Critic,

These questions should be addressed to Christians, not to me since I don't qualify.

I just view Christianity as one valid path to come closer to God.
And so is striving to be a good person.
Which of the above two religions is more effective? I think it varies from one individual to another.

And why can't an event be God's will and Man's will simultaneously?

' Don't be so ignorant and self righteous, dear Christians.
Nobody knows what heaven and hell are, if they exist.
Better to hope for the best and plan for the worst.'

ignorance is bliss Armchair (not). Jesus Christ told exactly what hell was like. Either He lied or told the truth. True heaven is not described in detail. Don't use pathetic excuses for ignorance. Choosing to disbelieve is a choice afforded to everyone. To make out we don't know what hell is like is to call Christ a liar.