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What should the Greens be on about? : Comments
By Sylvia Hale, published 3/11/2017Do we assume that capitalism will ultimately come up with a solution, or is capitalism itself the problem?
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Posted by diver dan, Friday, 3 November 2017 8:32:07 AM
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What should the greens be on about? Well, how about pragmatism and a big big dose of reality! Coupled to genuine democracy!
And an ability to use bona fide persuasion to gain seats! [Which simply cannot be the principle or only real goal!] As opposed to gerrymandered two bob each way dirty deals done in the dead of night, with the devil himself, preference swaps that simply deal the voter out of the Machiavellian mechanisation of preference deals!? And there must be a plan for winning government and therefore fully funded promises, as opposed to a very generous pie in the sky wish list of unobtainable promises! Moreover, the will of the people needs to be respected, not simply rejected out of hand, in favour of highly autocratic green fundamentalism! Which needs must be, replaced by democratic socialism, coupled to, self evident intelligence? Intelligence would not simply reject stuff out of hand because it offends hidebound dogma! Intelligence would at least look at nuclear energy! If only to understand that peaceful purpose only, carbon free nuclear energy is the only way forward and allow us to turn our arid wastelands into the most productive gardens in the world, replete with brand new rain forests and acres of multi variety orchards! And forever emblazon the green movement, the only truly sane rationalists competing for the right to serve! And lastly and on that same subject, reason and logic alone, must replace totally inflexible dogma and ideology. And don't ask the voters what they think? If you remain incapable of actually, in word and deed, respecting their views! Alan B. Posted by Alan B., Friday, 3 November 2017 9:49:06 AM
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diver dan, "But here is one request. Please officially abandon your quasi environmental agenda. The greens have made environmental issues untouchable, to those members of the community who genuinely care for the environment"
Well said. Posted by leoj, Friday, 3 November 2017 10:39:35 AM
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Sylvia Hale: What should the Greens be on about?
Broccoli! AB: Intelligence would at least look at nuclear energy! Why do places that have nuclear Power Plants build them all on top of Earthquake Fault Lines? Nuclear is definitely the way to go especially with the new technologies. AB: reason and logic alone, must replace totally inflexible dogma and ideology. Agreed. A good start would be not to build them on a Fault Line. Posted by Jayb, Friday, 3 November 2017 10:44:30 AM
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Oh dear, I can never tell with this lot.
Is this another Green without enough math or intelligence to be able to see through the global warming scam, or another smarty trying to use the scam to force world government? Quote. All of this nonsense to try and achieve Maurice Strong’s political aims of an unelected socialist-marxist global government. “In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that .. the threat of global warming.. would fit the bill…. the real enemy, then, is humanity itself….we believe humanity requires a common motivation, namely a common adversary in order to realize world government. It does not matter if this common enemy is a real one or…. one invented for the purpose.” Maurice Strong – speech to Club of Rome – and “invented” referred specifically to ‘Global Warming ! “Isn’t the only hope for the planet that the industrialized civilizations collapse? Isn’t it our responsibility to bring that about?” and those words encapsulate what lies behind and is the sole reason for ‘Global Warming / Climate Change’. Posted by Hasbeen, Friday, 3 November 2017 11:24:54 AM
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Some very sobering green-tinted references to check out:
Rolling Back the Tide of Pesticide Poison Corruption & Looming Mass Extinction by Colin Todhunter The prophetic book Overshoot by William Catton a 1982 book The prophetic work of Carroll Quigley A Dripping Wet Chemical Planet by Robert Hunziger Scientists Categorize Earth As a Toxic Planet at Phys.Org Insectageddon by George Monbiot Two websites Ecosophia, and mideastwater.blogspot Peak Everything by Richard Heinberg And of course http://openfield.earth Posted by Daffy Duck, Friday, 3 November 2017 12:11:16 PM
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But here is one request. Please officially abandon your quasi environmental agenda. The greens have made environmental issues untouchable, to those members of the community who genuinely care for the environment.