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By Sylvia Hale, published 3/11/2017Do we assume that capitalism will ultimately come up with a solution, or is capitalism itself the problem?
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Posted by diver dan, Friday, 3 November 2017 8:32:07 AM
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What should the greens be on about? Well, how about pragmatism and a big big dose of reality! Coupled to genuine democracy!
And an ability to use bona fide persuasion to gain seats! [Which simply cannot be the principle or only real goal!] As opposed to gerrymandered two bob each way dirty deals done in the dead of night, with the devil himself, preference swaps that simply deal the voter out of the Machiavellian mechanisation of preference deals!? And there must be a plan for winning government and therefore fully funded promises, as opposed to a very generous pie in the sky wish list of unobtainable promises! Moreover, the will of the people needs to be respected, not simply rejected out of hand, in favour of highly autocratic green fundamentalism! Which needs must be, replaced by democratic socialism, coupled to, self evident intelligence? Intelligence would not simply reject stuff out of hand because it offends hidebound dogma! Intelligence would at least look at nuclear energy! If only to understand that peaceful purpose only, carbon free nuclear energy is the only way forward and allow us to turn our arid wastelands into the most productive gardens in the world, replete with brand new rain forests and acres of multi variety orchards! And forever emblazon the green movement, the only truly sane rationalists competing for the right to serve! And lastly and on that same subject, reason and logic alone, must replace totally inflexible dogma and ideology. And don't ask the voters what they think? If you remain incapable of actually, in word and deed, respecting their views! Alan B. Posted by Alan B., Friday, 3 November 2017 9:49:06 AM
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diver dan, "But here is one request. Please officially abandon your quasi environmental agenda. The greens have made environmental issues untouchable, to those members of the community who genuinely care for the environment"
Well said. Posted by leoj, Friday, 3 November 2017 10:39:35 AM
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Sylvia Hale: What should the Greens be on about?
Broccoli! AB: Intelligence would at least look at nuclear energy! Why do places that have nuclear Power Plants build them all on top of Earthquake Fault Lines? Nuclear is definitely the way to go especially with the new technologies. AB: reason and logic alone, must replace totally inflexible dogma and ideology. Agreed. A good start would be not to build them on a Fault Line. Posted by Jayb, Friday, 3 November 2017 10:44:30 AM
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Oh dear, I can never tell with this lot.
Is this another Green without enough math or intelligence to be able to see through the global warming scam, or another smarty trying to use the scam to force world government? Quote. All of this nonsense to try and achieve Maurice Strong’s political aims of an unelected socialist-marxist global government. “In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that .. the threat of global warming.. would fit the bill…. the real enemy, then, is humanity itself….we believe humanity requires a common motivation, namely a common adversary in order to realize world government. It does not matter if this common enemy is a real one or…. one invented for the purpose.” Maurice Strong – speech to Club of Rome – and “invented” referred specifically to ‘Global Warming ! “Isn’t the only hope for the planet that the industrialized civilizations collapse? Isn’t it our responsibility to bring that about?” and those words encapsulate what lies behind and is the sole reason for ‘Global Warming / Climate Change’. Posted by Hasbeen, Friday, 3 November 2017 11:24:54 AM
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Some very sobering green-tinted references to check out:
Rolling Back the Tide of Pesticide Poison Corruption & Looming Mass Extinction by Colin Todhunter The prophetic book Overshoot by William Catton a 1982 book The prophetic work of Carroll Quigley A Dripping Wet Chemical Planet by Robert Hunziger Scientists Categorize Earth As a Toxic Planet at Phys.Org Insectageddon by George Monbiot Two websites Ecosophia, and mideastwater.blogspot Peak Everything by Richard Heinberg And of course http://openfield.earth Posted by Daffy Duck, Friday, 3 November 2017 12:11:16 PM
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Regardless of the rights or wrongs of Greens policies, the current Australian electoral system denies them the right to represent the portion of Australian voters who vote for them.
That portion of Australian voters who believe in Greens policies have zilch prospect of achieving a place in the House of Representatives, but a certain representation in the Senate, because it is based on proportional representation. Posted by Killarney, Saturday, 4 November 2017 5:41:47 AM
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Don't build a traditional nuclear power plant, with 300 atmospheres of contained pressure, on a fault line! Absolutely agree! I'd never ever propose we do that!
But am okay with the idea of a shipping container sized transportable reactor, operating at normal atmospheric pressure, being placed wherever convenient. If the entirely passive safety, design features, prevented a melt down or the hydrogen explosions that wrecked Fukushima! Melt downs don't occur in a molten slat reactor. If the internals rupture for any reason and there is a leak? The cooling medium simply solidifies, thereby containing the nuclear material in purpose built containment vessel! Where it cools and solidifies even if shaken like an oversized milk shake! Xenon expansion inside entirely inflexible solid state fuel rods, probably implicated in the Chernobyl disaster!? What I would instead advocate is, walk away safe, molten salt, thorium. And given their very different passive safety design features! Able to be located virtually anywhere, including on top of a fault line! But particularly, when few other options present! I believe that one could completely abandon such a power plant for up to 120 days, without compromising safety or power supply! And where such a fault line, were to shake rattle and roll? The passive safety design features, would cause the reactor to simply shut down! Only ignorance of the actual facts breeds fear! And where ignorance and fear dominate, dogma and ideology not only replace both knowledge based reason and logic, but in the case of too many of our green devotees, rule them as slaves! Suggest you read, who benefits from climate change for more. Alan B. Posted by Alan B., Saturday, 4 November 2017 10:02:04 AM
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Correction and apologies. Who will benefit etc, should read, who will pay for the benefits of climate change?
Have a good read and persist to the bottom of the page please! But particularly if informed by green politics! Cheers, Alan. Posted by Alan B., Sunday, 5 November 2017 10:56:18 AM
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"...the need for Greens members to think very hard...."
Now you're not being reasonable! Posted by don coyote, Monday, 6 November 2017 1:55:41 PM
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DC: "...the need for Greens members to think very hard...."
Greens don't think. They do what they are told to do by their Socialist Masters. Posted by Jayb, Monday, 6 November 2017 4:29:05 PM
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But here is one request. Please officially abandon your quasi environmental agenda. The greens have made environmental issues untouchable, to those members of the community who genuinely care for the environment.