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Do we really need public funded journalism? : Comments

By Chris Lewis, published 19/10/2017

Trying to define what quality journalism means is a bit like unwittingly taking part in the age-old debate about what is art and what is not.

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Dear Shadow Minister,

Talking about absolute bollocks...

You state that you find it irritating when someone
misconstrues what you write and attacks you for
something you neither said or intended. That I
should know better.

I find it irritating when people try to whitewash or deny
what they wrote.
It's rather hard to misconstrue the following
which you wrote and to which I responded:

"What a Shocker. A left whinge professor of cultural
studies thinks that having a left whinge public funded
organisation is a good idea because of its left whinge
cultural programs."

And now you're trying to back-peddle. Your record on this
forum speaks for itself- Who are you trying to kid.

Not buying it.

Besides, I've now lost interest.
Posted by Foxy, Monday, 23 October 2017 6:11:31 PM
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Foxy,

I have not backed down from my comment in the slightest, I simply demonstrated that your response that I label "EVERY" person that disagrees with me a leftie is complete bollocks. And as a conservative, that the vast majority of disagreements that I have is with those on the left is neither surprising nor in dispute.

With regards the ABC I have given some basic economic theory on public finance as to why it is economically a bad idea to fund an organisation that competes directly with the private sector, and you give me an academic with a vested interest and a poll that says it's popular, both of which are intellectually lazy arguments.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Tuesday, 24 October 2017 8:20:21 AM
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Dear Shadow Minister,

I've just read your comments on another discussion.

You still continue to attach labels like "Tony Whinger",
"Rob Oafshot", "Juliar," and tell us that the newly
elected Labour Government of New Zealand will be a
farce just as the last Labor team in Australia were.
And you refer to the "decade of sound government"
under John Howard. (You know the PM who was kicked out by
his own electorate).
That clearly shows that you are definitely not
biased. And that we should respect your beliefs.
Apparently.

I shall leave it there.
Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 24 October 2017 9:17:39 AM
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Foxy,

Again you are confusing opinion and facts I hold little respect for peoples opinions unless they can justify them. If you want to debate economics or other theories based on facts, then I am your man, but if you want to decide public policy based on opinion polls then I am not.

Similarly, if you can project how JA will hold together her new coalition getting the greens to agree with the NZ first team when she simply has to lose 3 MPs from either team for anything not to pass.

I invite you to show how on any measure the AlP outperformed Howard.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Tuesday, 24 October 2017 12:03:46 PM
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Dear Shadow Minister,

Yes -
You have little respect for people's opinions. Unless
of course - they agree with your political leanings.
The same applies
to any facts presented to you that do not agree with your
political leanings.

You have a right to your political
leanings, of course. But it is disheartening when someone
tries to present broader aspects to a discussion and they
are merely brushed aside as being "Left Whinge", or worse
given inappropriate labels.

I have nothing further to add to this subject. For me it
has now run its course.
Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 24 October 2017 2:03:25 PM
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Foxy,

You can't claim any better.

I generally try and focus on results and facts rather than opinion, and when I do quote opinion I usually try to avoid quoting someone that is blatantly vested in an opinion.

For example, I will not quote Pauline Hanson, or Abbott on immigration rather I will focus on the results of Labor's policy vs the coalition policy.

In this thread the question of whether the ABC or SBS is a need or a nice to have lies in what the alternative would be. Without either of these institutions, the sky wouldn't fall and I doubt Aus would be worse off in any way.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Tuesday, 24 October 2017 3:12:31 PM
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