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A dose of honesty in the housing affordability debate : Comments

By Rex Drabik, published 18/10/2017

Prominent businessman and philanthropist Dick Smith recently released a booklet designed to tell the full story on housing.

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"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing"

Inscription to honour Donald Mackay, Griffith NSW.

I suspect, the "good men" now ponder the next property purchase, to add to their property portfolio...and hurl abuse across the floor, before all meeting at the friendly bar downstairs.
Posted by diver dan, Wednesday, 18 October 2017 9:21:59 AM
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I think I agree with Dick Smith! And have to add, in a place in history where we know many many occupations will soon disappear!

Why do we need so many new people. And why can't we act even just as leading by example leadership to change carved in stone attitudes?

And remove the reason and impoverished circumstances that caused these folk to leave their beloved homeland, for a strange new world, where neither they, their customs or culture fit!

And just not that hard!

Look, we need to remove the artificial barriers to the peaceful development of nuclear energy. Generally and ours in particular!

Namely walk away safe, molten salt thorium energy. And after making certain the chosen template hasn't got any bugs in it. Set about mass producing portable reactors for an energy starved world. And replacing our coal fired power stations, as they become obsolete!

Over there, and just reprioritizing our foreign aid dollars, build some, deionization dialysis desalination plants powered by the companion portable reactor, to reverse desertification and render, region by region, reversal of climate change, desertification. Via the provision of endlessly reliable, cost effective potable water!

Affordable energy is key! And needs some high profile exposure and examination to prevent the troglytes and quislings in our midst, from killing it stillborn?

And, dare I say, for no better reason than hidebound, selfish, vested, self interest? YA CAN'T EAT COAL TONY!

The new energy policy is interesting, inasmuch as it now seems to allow open slather on NEW TECHNOLOGY?

With the words. More affordable, more reliable, seeming to be the only condition or handbrake. And if that's the case? Very, very clever Malcolm?

An too clever by 'alf for British born, British bulldog to the back teeth, Tiny mind Tony?

'Ow do you like, right proper henglish? Hey Tone?
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Wednesday, 18 October 2017 11:16:14 AM
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$1.98
Posted by nicknamenick, Wednesday, 18 October 2017 11:26:51 AM
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Lunch menu today, in the parliament cafe?

Deep fried coal served with liberal doses of CO2 and lightly seasoned with arsenic, mercury, lead, cadmium and uranium. With a side salad of negative gearing. [123? Tha's a healthy appetite you have there, Andrew!] And steamed by the dozen, capital gains tax subsidies. Bon appetite.

Coffee and cognac will be served with cigars in the, smoking room! SMOKING ROOM!, Help where's the flaming extinguisher. Tony, aren't you a volunteer fire chief?

Sorry about the smoke!

Coal has some disadvantages, when slightly burned?

And Family trusts will be served with olive's and her-miner's, tax havens.

Who knows what they're thinking out there in mugsville? And more importantly who cares!

Of interest? The local taxidermists is reporting booming business as is the mushroom fertilizer supplier! Pity about the lights? Still nobody need bother turning them off!? Yes Mr Nobody, I was addressing you!

No body! Help, mummy! Not that mummy! Yipe!

Don't turn the beam off, I'm only halfway down!

More tea? Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Wednesday, 18 October 2017 12:02:12 PM
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hehehe $1.98
Posted by nicknamenick, Wednesday, 18 October 2017 1:29:09 PM
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Hehehe, Your maths is atrocious nick! Need to divide $1.98 by 100 If you would represent a reported median of 1.98 cents PKH!

Of interest is the fact that there are just three kinds of Mathematicians? Those that can count and those who can't?

You'll have a nice day now y'hear.
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Wednesday, 18 October 2017 2:53:27 PM
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Don't worry, when the power goes off there will be plenty of cheap
housing for the young and fit above the 10th floor.
Posted by Bazz, Wednesday, 18 October 2017 3:38:48 PM
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Alan
aha your PKH adds up to pkwh.
"..a molten salt reactor of the same power output as the Diablo Canyon reactors could cost between 5.46c/kWh to 4.72c/kWh.( Au 8-9 cents).
A second approach can be taken to estimate the cost of a LFTR. The cost of building a LFTR can also be estimated by analyzing the Oak Ridge National Laboratory’s Molten Salt Reactor Experiment (MSRE)..
Au 1.98 cents/pkwh. "

That looks more like guesstimate than science.
Posted by nicknamenick, Wednesday, 18 October 2017 3:50:39 PM
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Nick, you need to report your concerns about guesswork to economist/Professor Hargreaves and Author of, Cheaper than coal, Thorium. Suggest you get online and listen to his, watch my lips, words!

Whom I quote for a 1.98 cents P.K.H, as the median! Or if you prefer, just a tad south of 2 cents!

Incidentally, thanks for the opportunity for the segway into, Cheaper than coal thorium! And its highly credentialed Author, economist and Ivy League Professor Hargreaves.

You mentioned Oak Ridge laboratories but left out the newer more recent, larger operational prototype at shippingport?

And the even more recent 350 M.W. FUJI. Or that our near northern neighbor, Indonesia. May have a working walk away safe, molten salt thorium reactor, decades before we do and all the competitive advantages that would give them!

Given there is an all too often, a cascading energy component in every good or service we buy or use!

And if that component was a 1,000 K.H? And magnified by 100% with each move up the distribution chain, from the manufacturer, to the distributor, to the retailer, then you?

I'd sooner the starting point or wholesale price, was 1.98 cents as median P.K.H, than 24 or 30 cents!

And at 24 cents P.K.H, possibly as much as a $1,000.00 by the time it gets to you, as the passed on up, energy component!

On the other hand, 1.98 cents P.K.H. Just a tad south of $8.00, using the same calculation! Understand?

Nothing and nobody untouched or quarantined, other than the politicians who foist their idiotically incoherent ideologies on us. Via their imposed regulatory framework, which they sign off on, if not actually create?

Even as they sit, argue, hurl abuse, deleted expletives, work, play or commute, in whole of life pampered air conditioned comfort And in collar and tie/suits for heaven's sake!

Little wonder their world is chock-a-block full of asinine climate change sceptics?

Obnoxiously oblivious to and quarantined from the real world, struggle street and the very real consequences of their ideologically driven decisions!
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Wednesday, 18 October 2017 5:25:19 PM
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.Your maths juggling skill is unmatched , numbers are plucked , multiplied and faked with dazzling speed.
" 1.98 cents as median P.K.H, than 24 or 30 cents!
And at 24 cents P.K.H, possibly as much as a $1,000.00 by the time it gets to you, as the passed on up, energy component!"

But I was most astonished by this mathematics:

"On the other hand, 1.98 cents P.K.H. Just a tad south of $8.00, using the same calculation! Understand?"
My cat whispered that it's $80 .

".. 1000 MWe MSR-FUJI (super-FUJI) is estimated the total electricity generation cost about 3 cents/KWh. In general the economic performance of a smaller plant may be expected to be worse than that of a larger plant. This factor has not been evaluated till now. " Furukawa, K. et al. “Molten Salt Reactor for Sustainable Nuclear Power – MSR

Japanese kenshira boru : "estimate" " juggling . number plucking . pie in the sky"
Posted by nicknamenick, Wednesday, 18 October 2017 6:19:09 PM
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