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Discovering the real history of our peoples : Comments
By Graham Young, published 1/9/2017The uproar over the use of the word 'discover' is the latest skirmish in a war over two equally mythical views of Australian history.
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Posted by Alan B., Sunday, 3 September 2017 3:33:23 PM
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Things should calm down in a few years:
Edward II was born in North Wales on 1284, less than a year after Edward I had conquered New South Wales., Sport and English National Identity in: A ‘disunited Kingdom’ https://books.google.com.au/books?isbn=1317310578 Tom Gibbons, ‎Dominic Malcolm - 2017 - ... at Welsh home internationals but the booing became embarrassing. - Some Irish tribes talk about guys named Oliver Cromwell and Potato Famine. Nicola Sturgeon, the First Minister of Scotland announced a second independence referendum between late 2018 and early 2019. The Liberal Party wants to seriously look at secession of "Western Australia becoming an independent state within the Commonwealth" . Posted by nicknamenick, Sunday, 3 September 2017 5:41:00 PM
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Facts matter. I typed up the nine thousand letters of the South Australian Protector (1839-1913) and it took me some time to realise that he had no staff: he was it, the 'Aborigines Department'. His main role was to supply rations to depots all over the colony/State, run by local police, pastoral lessees and missionaries for free. One lessee did that for more than thirty years. By 1900, there were more than seventy depots all over the colony.
From the outset in South Australia (and perhaps elsewhere) the rights of Aboriginal people - as 'British subjects' - to use their lands as they always had done were recognised. This was written into the law in the 1850 Pastoral Act. It's still the law. The Protector provided people with fishing gear, boats and guns to assist them in living off the land if they wished. So no pushing people off their lands then ? Years ago, I typed up the 600-page Journal of a well-known missionary (1859-1879). He set up the mission where my wife was born. It never had a fence around it. Usually he was the only bloke there, until he got a school-teacher, then a farm supervisor. Aboriginal people came and went at will. So no herding of people onto missions then ? All on my web-site: www.firstsources.info Posted by Loudmouth, Monday, 4 September 2017 12:02:27 PM
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sorry Loudmouth facts don't matter to the left because they don't suite their very twisted narrative.
Posted by runner, Monday, 4 September 2017 1:03:23 PM
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Aboriginal people as British subjects ? Well, at least in SA, yeah: on at least a couple of occasions, when Aboriginal men were arrested for murders, including one murder of an entire family, if an interpreter could not be found - i.e. if they could not know what was really going on and therefore could not defend themselves - they were let go.
The last person hanged in SA died in 1964. The last Aboriginal man hanged (no women were hanged) was in 1862, barely 25 years after settlement. Stolen Generation: How many have been shown to be thus in any court anywhere in Australia ? One. Bruce Trevorrow, a cousin of a cousin of my wife's. By the way, dare I suggest that he might have suffered from Foetal Alcohol Syndrome, long before it was ever diagnosed in Australia. I knew his mother slightly, other relations better, his brothers for example, from about 1972. Were children taken into care ? Yes, of course. Why ? Neglect, abuser, near-death. Yes, dear, they happened. I puzzled over a strange statistic: that the 1950s, the decade when Aboriginal men were making good money from the backlog of infrastructure projects all over the country, was the decade - at least down this way - of the worst child mortality since 1860, the worst decade for children being taken temporarily away from school. Why, I wondered ? Michael Caine provided a clue: his father worked all his life, a working-class man, and left 1/10. i.e. nineteen cents. Working-class people tended - I know from experience - not so much to blow their money as to be accustomed not to have anything left by the next pay-day: if they expected to, they would indeed blow it, usually on grog. Wages during the fifties and sixties could have been enough to even keep one's spouse in grog. Could this have possibly led to child neglect ? [TBC] Posted by Loudmouth, Monday, 4 September 2017 1:33:32 PM
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Dear Joe (Loudmouth),
The historical records documenting frontier conflict is a powerful and unequivocal record of our colonial past, it is however mostly limited to written records that largely exclude Indigenous voices. Yet the magnitude, persistence and near universality of Aboriginal oral narratives of frontier violence are surely telling. I don't want to argue about this with you. We've covered this ground in the past. Therefore I shall suggest a new approach and repeat what has been stated in this discussion and that is that - It would be good if the stereotypes around Australia's human past PRIOR to the British settlement in 1788 could be deconstructed and the archaeological history of Australia placed into its global context, then we possibly will move towards a greater respect for the significant achievements of the First Australians. History as stated previously, should be deeper and further reaching and responsible education needs to encourage broader appreciation for the diversity of history and culture. The rewards will be far deeper for future generations of Australians. Of course Western Civilisation is an important part of our history but Australia's history is more than this and the grand story of the First Australians is an important starting point for a truly Australian narrative. The archaeological history of the First Australians is a truly remarkable story. At a time when Europe was still the domain of Neanderthals, the earliest Aboriginal societies were establishing complex religions, burying their dead with elaborate rituals, engaging in long-distance trade, making jewellery and producing works of art. Over the ensuing millennia these societies witnessed huge changes, including the mass extinction of the mega fauna, and the intense desertification of Australia during the last Great Ice Age. They changed and adapted and rose to these significant changes. The most insidious myth perpetuated about Aboriginal Society is the idea it was "primitive" "stone-age" "nomadic" or unevolved." The archaeology of our continent directly refutes this type of thinking, but until recently the monuments and achievements of ancient Australia remain largely invisible to the mainstream public. Taken in part - from the following link: http://theconversation.com/why-our-kids-should-learn-aboriginal-history-24196 Posted by Foxy, Monday, 4 September 2017 1:35:19 PM
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Alan B.