Interesting observation David, that tells us, because your, locked and bolted, mind is captive to a particular idiotic ideology, you expect others less thoughtful? (LOL) To conform to a particular far left socialist or far right fascist ideology?

Perhaps if you spent less time (I've seen this film before) resting your eyes, you might get some insight, why right wing ideology like yours is not only on the electoral nose but indicative of what usually occurs when the (power junkies) inmates are given charge of the asylum?
Alan B.

The article doesn't tell me much about David, but the OP tells me a lot about Alan.

When the Greens adopt a zero net immigration policy, let me know David, & I'll take another look at them.

Meanwhile a confused Pauline has got A million times better than Turnbull or Labor, at any time.

Pauline’s confused state of mind is no better than Abbott’s confused mind. And look where that got us. We need persons with very stable minds to run the country.
Trumps mind is confused to the point of being idiotic. I doubt he will be there at the next election. That shows you the pitfalls in the democratic system.

My goodness David, what a difficult life you have.

As for staying awake, I respectfully suggest that you buy yourself a small electronic zapper, attach it where it will do the most good, and adjust the timing to say, once every 30 seconds.

When you are sufficiently awake you might like to ask both yourself and the Government to explain how it is that when it comes to electricity and gas in particular, that the private sector has for years managed to deliver "...excessive costs, poor service and increased burdens on taxpayers."

For god's sake doog! Do you reckon Trump could ever kill as many of his citizens as Stalin, Pol Pot or Chairman Mao.

Pilgrim, I guess you haven't heard about the cost od tax payer subsidised renewables, & the mandatory purchase by the private sector, of this Mickey Mouse stuff.

God it would be nice if you children would go off & learn the facts of life, before pontificating. It is horrifying that you clowns actually get to vote.

" It is horrifying that you clowns actually get to vote."

Second that!

Why only the Greens and One Nation?

All politicians are the same!

The folly of one politician criticising another, highlights the folly of an electorate forced to rely on the outcome of that folly!

When it comes to any Party I apply the 80/20 or 20/80 Rule. I agree with 80% of what they say & 20% & sometimes I disagree with 80% & agree with 20%. Even within their Policies themselves I apply the 80/20 Rule.

That what decides my Vote. I have no Unbending Loyalty to any particular Party.

'I am not the only Senator to get the Greens and One Nation muddled up'

no one could be that thick David. then again!

Yuyutsu,

All politicians are not the same, the Shooters, Fishers and Farmers Party MsP don't lie, don't cheat and they represent the interests of their members, first and foremost.

Given I can and have agreed with the greens, one nation and the "democratic liberals" on a number of occasions. My comment on this thread and occasion, tells nobody nothing about me!

Save that when I have views, they're based on logic's rites, and an informed view! Which I have no trouble sharing!

Which nonetheless can still be changed by a more informed view!

Which rarely includes information gleaned from this arse end of a conversation mostly missed by silly selective subjected syllogism, sourced from sententious senators, slumbering seloquosely?

Eh? What? Where am I? And who are you sir/madam? Water? Yes. Throw it in me face not all over it, you clumsy clodhopper! Where do they get these people from?
Alan B.

Is mise,

<<All politicians are not the same, the Shooters, Fishers and Farmers Party MP's don't lie, don't cheat and they represent the interests of their members, first and foremost.>>

That's exactly the problem. Politicians represent their membership and loyal supporters! I would argue all politicians do that. It could hardly be argued these people are thinking of Australia as a whole when they vote on legislation.

So why are the Greens and One Nation being singled out?

Dear Is Mise,

Some people have the best intentions when they enter politics, but as soon as they get elected they are bound to be corrupted - first because they accept our stolen tax-money in salary and perks, so they come to depend on it; and second, due to the bad company. As they spend most of their time with other politicians, they cannot help being infected.

Without lying and cheating, no politician can survive
(unfortunately the same is also true of most other workplaces, especially white-collar/office-work).

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Dear Nathan,

While democracy is a farce, according to democratic theory, representatives are there to represent their voters (well, what a joke!), so if you, the voter, have the interest of "Australia as a whole" at heart, then you would elect a representative who shares those feelings with you.

In practice however, the typical voter votes for whichever party is expected to end them with more $$'s in their bank account. If one for example is employed by a streamlined industry, then they are more likely to vote Labor; and the self-employed are more likely to vote Liberals. You could for example enthusiastically share Green ideology, but once you learn that your uncle who loves you very much has won the lottery and has cancer, you just wouldn't continue voting for the Greens (who propose death taxes). The fact is that it is much more convenient to be a millionaire and to pay for your advanced medication out of pocket than to campaign hard to include it one day in the PBS. Once you already received your inheritance, then of course you may resume voting for the Greens and consider yourself a righteous person - that's called "human nature"!

Yuyutsu,

Just give me one example where the SF&F Party MsP have lied.

Nathan,

The SF&F MsP were elected to represent their members' interests first and foremost and they sincerely believe that their members' interests are also in Australias' best interests.

Dear Is Mise,

I admit that I haven't looked into this particular party because its very name puts me off.

It is true that murder is currently the norm and over 90% of humans practice it, of all political persuasions, but isn't proudly declaring it as desirable a bit tasteless? Hardly sensible if this party wants to attract vegetarians like myself.

In a way it can be rare and refreshing when a politician states openly and honestly: "I like to kill", "I like to rape [small children]", "I am here to dig into your pockets", "I am here because I like to have control and power over you", "I am here to turn you into cannon-fodder", etc.

However, that is not a sufficient reason to vote for them.

Now I do find it right and proper for a party to represent its voters' interests, even more so when they do so openly and honestly, but when someone speaks of "Australia's best interests", they must be either deluded or lying, because no such thing exists. For the benefit of the doubt, I would like to believe that it's the former.

Yuyutsu,

"It is true that murder is currently the norm and over 90% of humans practice it, of all political persuasions, but isn't proudly declaring it as desirable a bit tasteless? Hardly sensible if this party wants to attract vegetarians like myself"

Isn't it a bit tasteless to attribute a desire to murder where there is absolutely no evidence on which to base such a statement?

Dear Is Mise,

What are the shooters and fishers want to shoot at? Just at the thin air? And to fish for plastic bottles?

It is my understanding that their intent is to shoot at and fish living beings - but please correct me if I am wrong.

Yuyutsu,

You are wrong, obviously wrong.

Murder is the unlawful killing of a fellow human being.

Dear Is Mise,

So you do not deny that the Shooters and Fishers want to target and kill living beings - you just claim that the lawyers are on their side...

Speaking of what is "unlawful", there was an historical court-case:

The demons of hell recklessly heated up their fires and brimstones above acceptable temperatures, which caused the wall between heaven and hell to collapse.

The righteous angels of heaven told them that they must rebuild the wall, but the demons rejected the demand and said that the onus is on the residents of heaven to pay for fixing the wall.

After much quarrel, the case came before the Highest Judge of the living and the dead, to determine who should pay for repairing the wall.

What was the verdict?

- Well, the residents of heaven had to pay.

Why?

- Because all lawyers go to hell!

Yuyutsu,

Murder is the unlawful killing of a fellow human being, or do you have another definition?

Dear Is Mise,

Murder is the act of taking someone else's life unprovokedly and against their will.

Yuyutsu,

"Murder is the act of taking someone else's life unprovokedly and against their will."

So what's that got to do with the SF&F Party MsP?

Dear Is Mise,

Perhaps nothing, perhaps nothing indeed because I have not even looked further beyond the party's name.

While I wholeheartedly like the idea of supporting farmers (the last 'F'), doesn't the 'S' stand for "shooters" and the first 'F' for "fishers"? Those two actions kill others unprovokedly and against their will.

Yes, I know that 90% of people do it, most pretending that meat just magically appears in supermarkets without hurting anyone - perhaps the SF&F party is at least honest about it, or could it simply be just a miserable choice of party-name?

The far left and far right are generally very similar in most countries. Hitler and Stalin, fascists and communists were different only on the surface.

The only strange thing about the similarities between One Nation and the Greens is that it is not obvious to everyone.

Yuyutsu,

"While I wholeheartedly like the idea of supporting farmers (the last 'F'), doesn't the 'S' stand for "shooters" and the first 'F' for "fishers"? Those two actions kill others unprovokedly and against their will."

of course they do, but killing animals for food is not murder.
Killing feral predators helps save our precious small native animals and that is a good thing.

Dear Is Mise,

I will not argue with those who feel an altruistic call to save the smaller animals by killing the bigger ones. Is this a politically-contentious issue anyway?

But killing animals, including fish, in order to eat their flesh is certainly not altruistic. The law might not recognise it as murder, but I do.

Why can't farmers form a party of their own? I would probably support such a party.

Yuyutsu,

"But killing animals, including fish, in order to eat their flesh is certainly not altruistic. The law might not recognise it as murder, but I do"

Then you are at variance with both the Law and the English language.

Do you really object to people hunting animals for food when that is
part of their culture?

yutsie: The law might not recognise it as murder, but I do.

Just because not killing animals is part of your Culture doesn't make you right & someone who kill for food as part of their Culture wrong. It's just different Cultures, that's all.

I respect your Cultures right to not kill animals for food. It would be good if you would respect other Cultures right to kill for food.

Now back to ON & the Greens. One could say the same for the LNP & the ALP. Just because there is an overlap doesn't mean they is no difference between the two.

I notice that Pauline's call on Autism didn't go anywhere. I guess no-one was game to voice an opinion either way.

Dear Is Mise,

I didn't say that I object to other people hunting animals for food, but I call spade a spade.

If others wish to murder others, then that mistake of theirs is really none of my business (nor Runner's when it comes to murdering humans in their mother's womb), but I cannot support such practices myself, thus I cannot vote for the SF&F party even while otherwise it has some good policies.

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Dear Jay,

This is not a matter of culture, since obviously many people in India eat meat while a growing number of people in the West do not.

Nor is it a matter of rights: you have a right to do whatever you like, which I respect, but whatever you do, there are natural consequences, which I have neither arranged nor can cancel.