The reason the Abbott-Santamaria government's Turnbull caretaker is bleeding voting support is not the issue itself of SSM but the dysfunctional mob are handling it. It is clearly an issue for what is laughingly called a “conscience” vote (based on the silly assumption that pollies are guided by conscience). If Turnbull was more than a mere caretaker he would simply give the nod for the LNP pollies to vote freely as they saw fit. The failure to deal with the SSM issue in this standard way turns off voters both for and against the issue itself and steers them to Shorten.

This is why supporting SSM is not a silver bullet.

Foxy:

“All societies that we know have definite rules about
marriage because there is a strong body of evidence
that in general marriage promotes a more healthy,
stable and prosperous society. The government obviously
finds value in supporting these outcomes, therefore it
naturally follows that it should regulate marriage.”

But it does not need to regulate marriage. If marriage is of such benefit to society then it will be so whether or not governments are involved in it. If marriage has to be regulated in order to achieve those supposed outcomes then there is something quite amiss with marriage. Governments might have to frame laws about who should act on the behalf of someone else when they cannot act for themselves but this can be done quite apart from any marriage laws. You don’t have to be married to someone to give them that power.

Marriage does not have to be a legal contract. Things like property and children can be resolved without marriage laws. Not everyone who has property or children is married and somehow it all gets sorted out under other laws which are irrespective of marriage.

Dear phanto,

And just like that,
I lost interest ...

Foxy:

I think you are a liar.

There can be no discussion on gay marriage by those who refuse to accept homosexuality as normal and acceptable...
Many, such as myself, refuse to to cower to a radicalised group of homosexuals, with the sole intention of upending societal norms!
Normalising the abnormal is madness!

Pope describes the process this "evil in our midst" has taken!

“Vice is a monster of so frightful mien, As to be hated needs but to be seen; Yet seen too oft, familiar with her face, We first endure, then pity, then embrace.”

Dear phanto,

Be careful.

The mind is everything.
What you think,
You become.