The people killed by Muslim terrorists in Australia would have been interested to know that Binoy Kampmark deems their deaths were relatively insignificant, and their relatives will hopefully not read his insensitive comment.

After having a good old sneer at the only Australian politician who is taking Muslim terror seriously, he goes on to gripe about “indefinite detention” and monitoring of suspects. Well, fella, terror suspects should be locked up – and deported if possible – and the 400 people referred to as on an ASIO watch list should be off that list (nobody is actually watching them) and in clink. Anybody who thinks that persons intent on harming our society should not be locked up should also be locked up

yeah it would of been a lot easier if the pig headed lefist had not invited Islamic ideology to our shores. Now that they have created the problem they cry human rights abuses at any measures to protect the public from harm.

Hi Binoy,

You getting paid by the word ?

Interesting comparison: internment of innocents during the war, internment of suspects now. I had a step-grandfather interned here during the War. Jewish, Hungarian, so not a citizen, an 'enemy alien'.

But IF those current usual suspects show any link whatever to any terrorist, or terrorist cell, or terrorist organisation, then I would support internment without hesitation. In solitary confinement, with no contact, no phone, no nothing, with the outside world. For the duration of this vile war.

A number of remote councils have expressed interest in setting up the appropriate facilities. Betoota, Oodnadatta and Balgo are the most usual names bandied about, but Doomadgee, Nunjikompita, and Alpurruralam have put in bids.

Hopefully, this terrorist war will be over soon,say in the next twenty years. In the meantime, as the wheels of justice grind slowly, the lawyers can prepare their cases.

No rush.

Joe

' A number of remote councils have expressed interest in setting up the appropriate facilities. Betoota, Oodnadatta and Balgo are the most usual names bandied about, but Doomadgee, Nunjikompita, and Alpurruralam have put in bids. '

come on LOudmouth they should be planted near ever regressive pollie and academic in Australia. Why should outback residents pay for their foolishness.

Good point, Runner :)

Maybe every pollie and academic who speaks out in favour of treating suspected terrorists and their sympathisers gently, can spend a week, or a month, each year familiarising themselves with their living conditions in neighbouring, and similar, accommodation. It would be good for them to actually get out of the cities and see the country, even just through a little window.

Oh, hello Binoy, didn't see you there :)

Joe

I'd be strongly opposed to the internment of people based on faith alone. Not so much if there is evidence of support for the jihadist position.

We prosecute people for possession of or for looking at child porn even though they may not have been directly involved in the physical abuse of children, it's hard to see a case that those who embrace the brutality of the jihadists are any less of a risk.

R0bert

Robert,
Who is saying that ? A straw man :) But surely anybody suspected of aiding, or planning, o perpetrating, terrorist acts should b confined ?

The great majority of Muslims are law-abiding Australians, but in their midst, there may be people planning terrorist attacks. If they are apprehended, what to do with them ? Let them live near your place ?

Joe

The internment of ethnic Japanese during the war was a racist atrocity as it locked people up because of their ancestry, not because of their religion or ideology. Something similar happened to people of German ancestry in Australia - they were interned at Tatura and included many anti-Nazis who came into conflict with Nazi internees.

The problem with this matter is its connection to the constitution, and the state of the Nation not being at war, determines that the defence power available to Parliament are subjective to the state of the Nations propensity for war.
Since we are living in a time of total peace, without the observance of any propensity at all of a war situation, then the constitution protects the civil rights of its inhabitants.
In other words, there is no case for war, therefore there is no case to impinge on the civil rights of any Australian, as the red headed maggot would have us do!

Hi Dan,

So what's it like on your planet ? ISIS says it is at war with the entire West. Its supporters have murdered how many Australians just this year ? Should THEIR supporters be allowed to walk free ? I don't think so.

Terrorists hope that by using that weapon, terror, random killing of innocent people, they can scare us into sucking up to them. For terror to work, terrorists don't have to kill great numbers of people, just spread the notion of sheer randomness, that anybody could be killed for no reason at any time. It clearly seems to be working amongst the 'Left', and infects even the government. The churches seem to have buckled.

So no, we are NOT living in a time of 'total peace' and you know it. The fight is not of our choosing, but we'll choose when and how to finish it. That may take some time, especially with the gutless in our midst, exhorting us to stop, be nice, and maybe they'll go away.

Joe

Well Joe, by your own admission, you were a communist once, true?
What was your opinion of Menzies failed attempt to ban the communist party in 1951?
It became a constitutional argument which went to referendum for defeat by the people of this country.
This latest fracas over terrorism, ( which is becoming debatable whether it is in all cases actually terrorism) , is heading in the same direction.
We are actually in a glaringly obvious moment in time that highlights the need for a bill of rights to keep politicians head down, and begin protecting citizens rights from the likes of Hanson, who would love to intern all Muslims, and her other arch enemy, the Australian Aboriginal.
Your thoughts now!

How many people have become victims of terrorism in Australia?

On body count alone, we should be interning dangerous drivers and DUI drivers, who have killed thousands more people over the last few decades than terrorists. We should be interning smokers, who have killed themselves in the thousands. We should be interning husbands and male intimate partners, who have killed far more women than terrorists have.

Some internments are more equal than others.

In the latter part of the 20th & early 21st centuries, the Australian governments under ALP & LNP policies, practised detention of 'irregular arrivals' in gulags built by local residents paid pittances while ex pats arrived to effect the same works, being paid astronomic amounts staying in air conditioned luxury. After that national government's highest court determined the gulags and their inmates were unlawful, the inmates were then freed & allowed to wander the communities who then suffered at the hands of these "peace seeking 'refugees'...". Thefts, attacks on members of the Lombrum, Papitali, Mokerang, Lorengau, Loniu communities, sexual assaults of young girls, boys..the list goes on. The news agencies are gagged by the same mechanics implemented by Fuhrer Abbott who "stopped the boats". In fact the boats still turn up at Ashmore Reef, East Arnhem Land & get within landfall of our coast all too regularly.

Australians are being fed a constant diet of B~S and do not see the smokescreen in front of their faces. Small wonder Manusians are taking pot shots at the Lombrum Centre, the object of their betrayal and the continuing patronising policies of Wantok Australia.

Hi Dan,

Curse those posting rules !

Yes, probably until twenty or thirty years ago. Yes, I remember the September 1951 Referendum to ban the Communist Party fondly. My brother and I got a potato cut it in two and carved "ON" [with a backward 'N', we were feral but we weren't illiterate] on each half, and went around Bass Hill with an ink-pad stamping "NO" on shop windows. Exciting times.

Wow, 66 years ago. Time flies.

Hi Killarney,

I've always thought of that approach - 'it's not so bad, look at the road toll' - as quite psychotic. Taken to its logical conclusion, one could say that nothing really matters, since after all two million people die each year from malaria, so why blame anybody for anything, why get worked up about anything ? Murder ? Nah, no big deal. Terrorist killings ? Nah, there's worse. Genocide ? Well, not if it's less than two million a year.

Quite psychotic. Sorry.

Joe

This is the inherent problem with multiculturalism.
If hostilities or war breaks out with the previous country of the
Immigrants, suddenly you have an enemy within.

The Muslims all over Australia are on the internet constantly to relatives
And friends in their old countries. They are giving them significant information
all the time about the politics and vulnerable targets here. Probably thinking of it only as chatting,not even
thinking of it as aiding the terrorists, but it undoubtedly is.

Multiculturalism makes a society of divided loyalties, this may be fine if the loyalties
are never seriously challenged. As in war or very bad societal problems,like poverty
,threatened starvation etc. Then the loyalties can become lethal.

This became obvious when the Japanese and Germans were not trusted to move
freely around their adopted societies in the terrible horror of a World War Two.

Hi Cheerful,

Well, it depends whether someone supports 'exclusivist' multiculti, or inclusive multiculti. To invite groups to Australia and encourage them to keep themselves apart, about as dumb a policy as you can imagine, is the first sort; encouraging new arrivals to mix, learn the language, assist them with employment, housing, education for their kids, etc., and welcome them, to help them to integrate as much and as quick as possible and make them feel part of Australia - would be the second sort.

What Britain has done in relation to Muslims has been the idiot sort of MC. The idiot 'Left' seems to support this sort of MC too, out of sheer intellectual laziness and an innate boneheadedness. I would strongly advocate and support and work for the second sort of MC.

Boring as it may be, we Australians do have some vague sort of values - in fact, I would suggest that they are so ingrained that we take them for granted, and don't notice that we have them, a bit like the air we breath. We do have them, even if a bit imperfectly sometimes: equality of all Australians, freedom of expression, certainly equal rights for men and women, reliance on democratic processes where relevant, protection of the 'weaker', opportunity for all.

And surely it's those values, or other similar values that people may prefer, that have to be persuasive for new arrivals: if they find them abhorrent - such as equality of men and women - then they can go elsewhere.

Cheers,

Joe

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*.....We are actually in a glaringly obvious moment in time that highlights the need for a bill of rights to keep politicians head down, and begin protecting citizens rights from the likes of Hanson, who would love to intern all Muslims, and her other arch enemy, the Australian Aboriginal....*

You appear to have missed the irony Joe. Ironic is it not, that your situation with the Communist party falling foul of popularist thought of the moment, and the danger to freedom of speech and human rights, by politicians boarding the train of popularism for their own ends.

Hi Dan,

I've never been much of a joiner, and thereby uncritical supporter, of any party. I joined the Democrats for a bit twenty years ago, the week before Cheryl Kernot defected from it. So even there, my timing was out.

I would have stopped supporting the Russian-oriented CPA in about 1962, then the Peking-aligned mob four or five years later. I thought hey had both betrayed their Marxist-Leninist roots. Since then I done my own thinking, as much as I'm aware of it. I have been disillusioned with the lot of it, with socialism as a whole, for about thirty years now. Since then, I've tried to keep up with reality, so obviously I've come a long way.

By 'popularism', do you mean 'populism' ? i.e. spouting 'policies' which large sections of the population might be desperate to hear, regardless of real possibilities, and therefore of any real success in implementing ? Paul Kelly has a good article on that in today's Australian, comparing Trumpf and Corbyn as exemplars.

I don't understand the rest of your post. Can you re-phrase it in standard English ?

Joe

It is all very simple. The ISIS announced a couple of years back that
they were at war with a number of western countries and Australia was
on the list.
Australia ignored that statement. So did all of those named.
A mistake. Each country should have taken them at their word and also
proclaimed a state of war to exist with ISIS & its affiliates.

If that had been done we would now be in a different situation.
We would not be hampered by legal rules that apply to our own citizens
as well as visitors as enemy aliens would not be allowed into the
country and those already here would be interned or repatriated.
Anyone taking action against Australian citizens if not in uniform
and in possession of a pay book could be deemed to be a spy and put before a firing squad.
They are the rules of war so do not forget it.
These were the rules from September 1939 to September 1945.
This is what war is about and Islam declared war on Rome about 650 ad.
"Rome" in that sense meant the same as ISIS's declaration.
Just because Mohommad did not know of the existence of Australia
does not mean we are not included in "Rome".

In the last weeks I have been reading the history of Rome in the final
years.
I had not realised that Rome had been battling the Islamists in its
last years and that an Islam army had occupied Rome for a short period
until turfed out by a Papal army organised with other Italian regions.
I read about the Great Siege of Malta and the occupation of Sicily.
The Islamist armies rampaged around the Mediterranean.
I had known that they occupied Spain for hundreds of years and invaded
France and Switzerland.
I had known about the attack for the third time on Vienna and their
war with Poland.

After all that it is hardly surprising what is happening in Europe
today.

Hi Bazz,

Another myth about the Religion of Peace, used by Islamists and useful idiots, is that it has always been peacefully united, one peaceful family, and that it's been the West, 'Rome', which has viciously and sadistically set one part against another in its vile - but fruitless - attempt to divide it. Yes, ignorance can be bliss.

I wonder if anyone has ever attempted to put together a history of the schisms and splits and feuds and betrayals of Islam since 632 AD. There have been, of course, the deep split between Sunni and Shi'ites since soon after Mohamed' supposed death, rival caliphates in Spain and elsewhere, and long wars between powers claiming to be Muslim, almost wars without end.

Being without a 'pope' or single dictatorial head, Muslims have been relatively free to dream up their own local doctrines and split from the rest. 'Prophets' have sprung up and devised even more schisms. Different ethnic groups within Islam, Arabs and Turks and Berbers and Persians and Afghans, have fought against each other bitterly for control of the whole pie, at times for centuries.

My favourite, rampant across north and west Africa from the 1820s and probably still going strong, in Libya at least, is the sect which believes that Mohamed wasn't the last prophet, the last true prophet has yet to be born, and it would be to a man, none of that filthy women rubbish. So they get around in very baggy trousers, awaiting the day.

Given Mohamed's predilection for winged horses with women's faces (it's what got him to Jerusalem, after all, therefore that city is Muslim forever), there is probably a sect in Yemen which claims to breed them.

Islam, at current rates, will never be united, no more than Christianity will be. For those of us atheists, who consider it the 'perfect religion', a pox on humanity, [wow, that's going to blow a few minds: 'how can it be both ?!'], at least that's some consolation.

Cheers,

Joe