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Energy and industry : Comments

By Ross Elliott, published 26/5/2017

Manufacturing is far from dead and remains our fifth largest employer: more than double the entire financial, insurance and property sector.

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The catalytically assisted decomposition of water produces oxygen and hydrogen. And far cheaper than traditional electrolysis.

With the flameless heat of the thorium nuclear reaction more safely enabling that outcome.

The oldies used an injection of Co2 just before the catalysis, to lessen/remove spontaneous combustion? And the reason more costly electrolysis is now preferred?

Fossil fuel advocate, Lord Monkton, was quite scathing in his condemnation of the idea plastics could be created out of thin air, given he said, the amount of Co2 and hydrogen needed, would fill the empire state building. And essentially correct.

However if one recovers those two gases from sea water, where they are far more concentrated, producing hydrocarbons and everything that comes from that is easier, with ultra cheap thorium power making it viable, economic and doable.

Co2 extracted in vacuum towers then compressed and re-compressed to make a stable liquid which can be united with hydrogen to make many useful and endlessly sustainable hydrocarbons.

Yes we can and have burnt water! And thorium enables us to develop a nuclear industry without ever once abandoning our stand against nuclear proliferation!

Interestingly, as concentrated Co2 is removed from seawater, it is almost immediately replaced by absorbed atmospheric carbon, given water's natural affinity with Co2; meaning, very real prospects of a technical fix to quite massively and rapidly reduce it!

Ultra cheap clean safe thorium, Super Fuel (Green energy) central and a essential key requirement. Given nothing else save mythical fusion stacks up!

And just the tip of an iceberg of possibilities that include quite massive reafforestation/reversed desertification and mitigating against poverty almost at will.

There are no technical or genuine financial difficulties! Just political difficulties served as usual with massive heaping helpings of fear-mongering (green) BS!
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Friday, 26 May 2017 4:48:34 PM
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Counter-terrorism Minister Michael Keenan has rejected calls from Tony Abbott for stronger laws enabling police to take out terrorists in crises such as the Lindt cafe siege, saying officers “already have the power to shoot to kill”.
Posted by doog, Friday, 26 May 2017 4:51:45 PM
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i will suggest something should be done on time before it gets worst.
Posted by rollyczar, Saturday, 27 May 2017 5:56:42 AM
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@ doog, i think you have a good point,but in my suggestion a quick action should be taken.
Posted by rollyczar, Saturday, 27 May 2017 5:59:51 AM
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@ Aidan, about the generation of the electricity you said, i think that would be fine if it could be organized.
Posted by rollyczar, Saturday, 27 May 2017 6:04:14 AM
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Yes Adian: MOE molten oxide electrolysis, is an area holding considerable promise we ought to investigate, for all manner of metals, rather than just steel.

In Gold production, for example, deliberate oxidation is followed by precipitation in solution. And given the associated silica content? May lend itself to this, simple by comparison technology, to recover traces too small to measure from mine site dumps and tailing ponds etc?

And given the essential energy is cheap enough, lend itself to all manner of formerly impossible recycling projects?

Which may even include fractional distillation insitu as a formerly impossible direct from ore to pure metal refining as a possibility? Yes by all means and I endorse your excellent suggestion! Just need the Pollyannas in positions of power, with just a modicum of science, predicating their funding proposals or permission

Other minerals are won from the ore by leaching, with caustic solutions. Light metals smelting, magnesium and titanium require different vacuum assisted approaches? Given magnesium and sodium burn, whereas the higher heat required for titanium, make vacuum assisted arc furnaces and robotics mandatory?

Yes we should investigate MOE, to see where and what, besides steel it might be applied to, and lets not forget either steel or aluminium as we do that?

On a large enough scale could produce entire non-welded ship hulls and many other normally fabricated shells or vehicle bodies, in a single piece mass produced production paradigm in hours maybe?

Rather than days, weeks or months, by using the mold or molds as the MOE tank(s)? In which case, every mass produced replication would be identical, to the enth degree?

Why, given the required heat and vacuum assistance formerly impossible, stronger, more robust alloys could be envisaged? And not so much as where the list of possibilities and combinations start, but where and when they might end?

Tungsten and titanium armor plate perhaps? stronger than steel lighter than aluminium, vanadium/molybdenum titanium, bullet proof plane bodies i.e., etc?
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Sunday, 28 May 2017 12:01:42 PM
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