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Why war with North Korea may be the only alternative : Comments

By Simon Louie, published 4/5/2017

It appears that within four years it will have a missile that can hit Australia or the United States.

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Perhaps we should dismiss our military as well Geoff? And with that gone? We like six million Jews in pre war Germany, would present no threat to anyone?

Shades of pre WW 11 and peace in our time? Such sensible well thought through comment mate and if applied prior to WW 11 and a war mongering America? May have averted WW 11 and millions of lost lives and billions in property damage/war debt?

Boiled right down to real choices, we can die on our knees like six million Jews or fight for our very survival on our feet and punching above our weight! Like sixty thousand sacrificing Diggers now moldering in foreign soil!

And given the cost of war every which way, it can only ever be a last option?

And that gets closer by the minute! Everything else seems to have been tried, including appeasement, which as history demonstrates only emboldens dictators who invariably demand more and more!

I'm quite happy for you to sacrifice all you own and everyone close to you, if you want to remain a pacifist/conscientious objector?

But never ever want to sacrifice a single life or single dollar fighting for your freedom or property rights etc!

As always, its those with the most to lose and the occasional moribund activist? Who expect others to do their fighting and dying for them! Not that you can, except the use you put that prehensile thumb to, as par for the course, anti-american propaganda!

And shame on you, who like every Australian owe an non-repayable and quite massive blood debt to our American war time allies, who paid for our current freedoms, with their very blood and considerable treasure!

Trump may be an incorrigible warmonger, but he's our incorrigible warmonger. And it's the American military umbrella that has guaranteed our freedoms to date! And strangely, you seem to want that gone?
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Thursday, 4 May 2017 2:54:47 PM
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I am with Alan on this:

Every minute that we delay finishing off this monster is a minute wasted with more suffering of the most miserable people on earth, the North Korean People.

If I were a North Korean, then I would prefer a chance of 1 in a 1000 to remain alive following a nuclear attack over remaining trampled underfoot of this horrendous regime.

I have a question: I found this American site, http://www.libertyinnorthkorea.org of the people who attempt to rescue North Koreans and bring them to safety. I would like to help and donations are tax-deductible in America, but not in Australia. Does anyone know a similar Australian organisation where donations are tax-deductible here?
Posted by Yuyutsu, Friday, 5 May 2017 12:12:32 AM
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If you would like some real facts on North Korea, try this:

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/46960.htm

and this:

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/46919.htm

I realise some of you believe NK is the problem, however think a little, read the links above, particularly the second one. You may then understand why the situation is as it is.

In circa 90% of cases, if you remove US meddling and covert and overt military, social and political influence around the globe this planet would be a much safer place.

The US did not save us in WW2, we can thank the Russians for defeating Hitler and the Nazis. US propoganda has made too many believe they saved us all, simply not true, although their efforts went a long way in helping.

Official history is written by the victors, unfortunately the truth gets sidelined in most of these documents, it takes time and effort to research the truth.

As an ex serving member of the Australian military, with medals ta boot, I think I have a pretty good understanding of what is really going on and you sure won't get the truth from the main stream media or our feckless politicians!
Posted by Geoff of Perth, Friday, 5 May 2017 1:45:14 AM
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Yuyutsu,

The whole of Korea, North and South together, covers less than 85,000 sq. miles, less than Victoria. And you're suggesting dropping the big one on the northern bit ? And that will help the North Korean people, how ? So what happens to the people of South Korea as well, given the vast artillery barrage aimed by the North Korean armed forces, the second or third biggest in the world, aimed particularly at Seoul, 35 miles south of the border ?

Yes, perhaps it doesn't matter much to you since some of them will be reincarnated, while the rest can become cockroaches.

Surely this is one of the least likely places to ever have another war which anyone can win ? Maybe Trump is actually a genius and is playing a long game, carefully calibrating the options and putting subtle pressure on china to act, since it will cop the fall-out ? Or maybe he's an idiot, acting on whatever is in the last Marvel Superhero comic he's just read, or at least looked at the pictures ?

Joe
Posted by Loudmouth, Friday, 5 May 2017 10:10:12 AM
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Hi Geoff,

"The US did not save us in WW2, we can thank the Russians for defeating Hitler and the Nazis."

Of course they did, and I was born at about that time and named after Stalin by communist parents. Of course, Australia was saved by the Yanks at the Battles of the Coral Sea and Midway and Guadalcanal. Defeating fascism was a joint effort, Geoff, admit it :)

Yes, the Russian victories at Stalingrad and Kursk in late 1942 and into 1943 crippled the Nazi army. But the British after el Alamein were the ones who forced the Nazis back in North Africa, thanks of course to our men at Tobruk holding the Nazis up. Yes, at roughly the same time, the Chinese were winning a huge battle (I always forget its location) against the Japanese, where the Japs always had three-quarters of their armed forces. And then there was Milne Bay. And, of course, Kokoda.

The victory in the Second World War was very much a joint effort, let's not begrudge our allies at the time, Geoff.

Joe
Posted by Loudmouth, Friday, 5 May 2017 10:19:12 AM
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"All the way with LBJ." as they once said. Today its "Gettin' Humped by Donald Trump."

From: http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2017/04/24/remarks-vice-president-and-australian-prime-minister-turnbull-press

"We have stood side-by-side in freedom’s cause through all those years, and today the brave men and women -- the Australian Defense Forces -- and their American allies and our partners are fighting together with the common goal of utterly destroying ISIS in the field in the Middle East. That is our commitment. In that theater of war and around the world, we are in absolute lockstep, totally united with a common purpose, and a resolute intent to destroy the threat of terrorism, and to destroy it in the field, and to combat it around the world -- whether at home or abroad. Our freedom depends on it. And we're committed to it."

I'd put it more as: "...around the world we are in absolute Goose-step with the US Administration..."

Sieg heil Herr Fuhrer Turnbull and thanks for putting us closer towards harms way...w@nker !

WW2 was a joint effort, but according to the Hollywood version, the Yanks alone saved the "Free" world and granted, the politico-military might of industrialists did contribute greatly to those victories in the European & Asian theatres of war. As in all wars, the populace are the ones to suffer.

I somehow feel that if & when an armed conflict arises re: Nth Korea, it will be the US who gets the bloody nose. As always, our ADF will be there to clean up the mess and wipe the snot from US bully boys.
Posted by Albie Manton in Darwin, Saturday, 6 May 2017 1:43:08 PM
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