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Why climate change agnosticism might be the better bet : Comments

By Mark Manolopoulos, published 5/5/2017

The most reasonable present position is to remain open-minded about climate change, particularly as the presently-framed debate distracts us from deeper issues.

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Joe, because the cost of building thorium reactors is less than building comparable coal fired plants! Starving or poor populations would be well advised to build them instead?

Why? Because all the costs are upfront. I mean the security guard out front costs more than the fuel. India i.e. has limited uranium but arguably has the largest repository of thorium?

I mean one can it's said, walk on the Mumbai beach, pick up a handful of sand and get enough thorium to run India for a year.

Demonstrably, given the Boeing example, thorium reactors can be massed produced in factories, creating thousands of new jobs and thousands more via the usual flow on factors. Moreover, cheap energy will enable many poor homes to abandon wood and kero cookers, thus improving health outcomes.

Finally, cheap energy enables pumping clean sanitary water and running washing machines, ending years of the daily grind for women tasked with family laundry duties, thus freeing them for study or other productive income earning work!

Putting reliable water in bone dry fields and on demand is central to overcoming poverty and cyclical famine. And indeed the usual stimuli for armed conflict.

Do two things for me. download the case for thorium as a PDF, or buy a book titled super fuel. and when armed with the facts. Continue this discussion or try to make any kind of case for coal anywhere.

India is building many new solid fuel reactors and advancing ways to convert them to use thorium. This is where their technical difficulties lie?

When instead they should just build tried and tested molten salt thorium reactors. which can be fueled and welded shut, to spin away for 100 years?

It's not rocket science and the book super fuel lays out an irrefutable case, whether it's green power, or based on fundamental, best economic model!

I don't know where you'll get the book, but I'll warrant Amazon does?
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Sunday, 7 May 2017 12:51:58 PM
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Steele Reflux has raised his delusional head again, using the scurrilous term “denier”.
As I have asked you many times before, Reflux, what is the science being denied?
You have none. There is no science to show any measurable human effect on climate.
You disappeared from the climate thread after you posted the baseless lie that Robert Carter’s complete demolition of the climate fraud had been shown to be untrue.
You gave no reference to the source of this nonsense, and I asked you to give the source or admit that you had concocted the ridiculous lie yourself.
As is your custom when you corner yourself with your dishonesty, you disappeared down your rodent hole for months.
Now that you have surfaced will you please give the source of your baseless lies about Robert Carter’s work.
He showed that the assertions about CO2 by the fraud promoters completely fail.
As his science is flawless, fraud promoters like Reflux, make baseless personal attacks.
What is your response this time, Reflux?
Disappear down the rat hole again?
Posted by Leo Lane, Sunday, 7 May 2017 2:03:43 PM
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yeah Doog pig headed ignorance sits nicely with the evolution fantasy.
Posted by runner, Sunday, 7 May 2017 2:58:18 PM
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Hi Alan,

It's available for $ 12.69, postage free, on

https://www.kobo.com/au/en/ebook/superfuel?utm_campaign=shopping_feed_au_en&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&gclid=CPe0nf-N3dMCFdAHKgodNFUOOA

Also on Book Depository, postage free, for $ 22.97:

https://www.bookdepository.com/SuperFuel-Richard-Martin/9781137278340?redirected=true&utm_medium=Google&utm_campaign=Base10&utm_source=AU&utm_content=SuperFuel&selectCurrency=AUD&w=AF45AU9S2BZZKZA80C7SACPC&pdg=kwd-104399949699:cmp-680104063:adg-32696820702:crv-151943499815:pid-9781137278340&gclid=CPbhvviO3dMCFQ1hvQodzi8FrA

If it's cheaper than coal, safer than uranium, conveniently scalable, and obviously puts less CO2 into the atmosphere, then of course I'd give it my royal backing, 100%. But it does sound too good to be true :)

Cheers,

Joe
Posted by Loudmouth, Sunday, 7 May 2017 4:11:14 PM
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The rise of Co2 in the atmosphere is all you need to know, about mans contribution to Climate Change.

We need a price on carbon, and a large one. The runt in his wisdom dismantled the last one based on lies.
Solar batteries need a subsidy on them for about five years.

So what is so pig headed about finding out the truth, If you think somehow everything was created from a blob of clay, that is your business. I would not say it to loudly if i was you, you might find a straight jacket wrapped around yourself.
Posted by doog, Monday, 8 May 2017 2:51:52 PM
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My dear Leo Lane,

For someone like you, who has such an enfeebled notion of what constitutes evidence based science, to be calling on me to provide yet again something for you to completely ignore is not a sport that I consider worth the effort right now. Perhaps you could inspire me.

Meanwhile major companies and insurers around the world are demanding action from governments on global warming. These are not people swayed by emotion rather by seriously assessing the risks to their businesses if inaction continues.

The world is quickly leaving you behind my friend.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Monday, 8 May 2017 3:13:26 PM
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