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Authoritarians and same sex marriage : Comments
By David Leyonhjelm, published 2/5/2017Sad to say, both Labor and the Greens love talking about same sex marriage so much they don’t actually want to achieve it.
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Posted by AJ Philips, Friday, 5 May 2017 8:53:34 PM
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“Why, I can feel it in my loins every time I set eyes on an attractive woman.”
That would be rather weird. You feel pleasure because of the beauty of the woman in the same way you feel pleasure at seeing other beautiful things but it is not sexual pleasure. That doesn’t kick in until you start to imagine having sex with that woman. You are not sexually attracted to that woman but to your own images of that woman in a sexual atmosphere which she is not in when you first see her. You are not sexually attracted to her at all. You are simply attracted by her beauty. The more you entertain your fantasies the more likely you are to feel sexual feelings in your ‘loins’. To say that you are sexually attracted to that woman as she appears is not true. Sexuality seems to suggest that we are attracted to people sexually. We are attracted to people for many reasons but sex is not one of them. If we are not attracted to people sexually then what is sexuality? Posted by phanto, Friday, 5 May 2017 10:00:38 PM
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That it does, phanto.
<<Sexuality seems to suggest that we are attracted to people sexually.>> Most of us, at least. <<We are attracted to people for many reasons but sex is not one of them.>> http://scholar.google.com.au/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0,5&q=sexual+attraction There are 428,000 peer-reviewed articles there which disagree with you. <<If we are not attracted to people sexually then what is sexuality?>> You haven’t yet demonstrated that sexual attraction doesn’t exist. This is just getting downright weird! Posted by AJ Philips, Friday, 5 May 2017 10:14:01 PM
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Why did you look it up? Don't you trust your own loins? Or perhaps you do not trust your own imagination.
It seems there are 428,000 other people who do not trust their loins either. Who are they trying to convince? Surely 427,000 conclusions would be enough. Posted by phanto, Saturday, 6 May 2017 3:43:51 PM
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It wasn’t for my own sake, phanto.
<<Why did you look it up? Don't you trust your own loins? Or perhaps you do not trust your own imagination.>> It was for yours. You see, I’m not unreasonable enough to assume that my personal experience should constitute evidence in your eyes. That’s one of your biggest problems, isn’t it? Assuming that the only reason anyone ever does something is to re-assure themselves of something. <<It seems there are 428,000 other people who do not trust their loins either.>> You see what I mean? And, actually, it’s 437,000 now. Google’s web crawlers found an addition 9000 articles literally overnight. Looks like you're really up against it. But, no, those are scholarly articles from researchers which discuss sexual attraction in some way or another. Your assumption that they’re all trying to re-assure themselves of something is nothing short of bizarre, and is indicative of a state of denial that is downright delusional. <<Who are they trying to convince?>> You have not yet demonstrated that anyone is trying to convince themselves of anything yet. Nor have you justified your assertion that sexuality doesn’t exist, for that matter. Posted by AJ Philips, Saturday, 6 May 2017 4:04:38 PM
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“I’m not unreasonable enough....your eyes.”
So why did you offer it in the first place? Why not immediately go in search of links? You see an attractive woman and your first response is to feel sexual feelings. This is what all your peers also apparently feel and so they come to the conclusion that we are attracted by sex. This must be very frustrating since there are thousands upon thousands of attractive women and each one causes you to feel sexual arousal. No one could tolerate such frequent arousal. Sexual feelings create tension and that tension needs to be released. It is not always appropriate or convenient to immediately attend to sexual feelings and release that tension. You would have to suppress that tension time and time again. Constantly suppressing feelings of any type is unhealthy don’t you agree? So, on the one hand we have all these experts, with whom you seem to agree, telling us that we are attracted by the desire for sex and yet we seem to be built in such a way that this attraction is at loggerheads with our health. It seems a rather cruel trick of nature to me. There is no doubt that we feel attracted to other human beings but we can be attracted by many facets of another person. Usually the first thing we know about another person is how they look. Before they even open their mouth we can find them attractive to look at and this might make us linger upon their looks. We are attracted by their beauty – by the pleasure that their looks give to us. Because we are attracted by someone else's looks it does not automatically follow that we are attracted to them sexually. So many other things have to be taken into consideration before it is reasonable to have sex with them. We might imagine having sex with them but imagination and reality is not the same thing. In that case we are not attracted by sex but by the images that we conjure in our heads. Posted by phanto, Saturday, 6 May 2017 6:20:13 PM
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<<There's no evidence that such a thing exists.>>
There is an abundance of evidence for the existence of sexuality:
http://scholar.google.com.au/scholar?hl=en&q=human+sexuality&btnG=&as_sdt=1%2C5&as_sdtp=
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_sexuality
Why, I can feel it in my loins every time I set eyes on an attractive woman. You wouldn't happen to be asexual by any chance, would you?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asexuality
I don't mean to get personal or anything, but it WOULD explain a lot; such as your disdain for marriage, for example. You even feel offended by this question, don't you? I knew it!
Anyway, try again.