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It shouldn’t be Australia’s job to liberalise Muslims : Comments
By Gary Johns, published 26/4/2017The struggle over the soul of Islam in Australia is taking place in the mosques, in the universities and in public life.
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Posted by grateful, Monday, 29 May 2017 3:49:01 PM
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Grateful,
I'll respond more fully when you stop writing rubbish. Joe Posted by Loudmouth, Monday, 29 May 2017 4:08:04 PM
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Lol Joe
In other words you obstinately adhere to beliefs without any rationale justification. Next thing you'll be arguing for fairies at the end of the garden! This is what I meant by "how I think our society should be calling out the abuse of free speech"(http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=18991&page=8) Do it with reason and have an expectation that such contentious views be supported with evidence. But there needs to be a commitment from the community, particularly the schools and opinion leaders ....otherwise 'debate' descends into a primitive tribal bun-fight with the winner being the biggest, most unscrupulous bully. Posted by grateful, Tuesday, 30 May 2017 10:19:27 AM
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The Christians and Jewish have got their governments to terrorise Muslims in their quest for oil and power. Its government policy.
Returning to the point you are trying to avoid, where is the evidence that would support your previous remarks:
1. the education levels of Muslim immigrants and the educational attainment of their children (relative to other groups, including the Anglos)
2. evidence of the Qur'an being "hyperbole and flowery puff" and "extremely violent as if some god would wish his or her followers to be like that."
Also your evidence for the following:
" the Koran, the very word of Allah, never to be changed, sanctions precisely the murder of innocents, provided they are not Muslim,"
As for
"the Jews in Mecca, for instance: the men killed, 400 of them beheaded,he children sold into slavery and the women into sex slavery."
There are a number of errors in this statement. The easiest way to demonstrate this is for you read the account of Banu Qurayza in Wikipaedia. You'll see that your account differs on three ponts
1. The tribe was from Median (Yathrib) not Mecca
2. You suggest that the men were innocent. In fact they had committted treason by allying themselves with the Quraysh (from Mecca) who had beseiged the city and thereby breaching a pact that had been agreed to by all the tribes of Medina;
3. "children sold into slavery and the women into sex slavery". In fact they were placed in the care of other Jewish tribes.
So please explain...or will we also atribute these remarks to bigotry?