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Pyongyang’s third failed missile test: what now? : Comments

By Liang Nah, published 18/4/2017

North Korea’s unsuccessful missile or nuclear demonstrations should still be regarded with caution as they heighten the Kim regime’s need to pull off a successful technology demonstration for politico-nationalistic reasons.

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The North Korean threat is too serious for baby-talk about “gloating”. North Korea will most certainly “ decide to test even more missiles or detonate a nuclear device in the very near future” unless the lunatic in charge is dealt with by the West and China. This creature cannot be classed as human; he is a mad dog, and should be dealt as a mad dog would be.

There is no need for a page of ifs, buts and maybes. It is scandalous the the U.S, the rest of the West, and China have allowed this maniac to fire missiles willy nilly as he has.
Posted by ttbn, Tuesday, 18 April 2017 12:40:03 PM
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Hi Ttbn,

Yep, a mad dog with the third largest army in the world, massive artillery barrages aimed at Seoul, and an air force and navy, not to mention missiles and maybe nuclear warheads.

Trump will ask himself: what would Batman, or Rambo, do ? I know: fly in, zap Kim and fly out again. Easy-peasy.

Or more likely, send in a team of Seals. Yeah, that oughta do it.

Who says strategy is complicacat ..... whatever ?

Joe
Posted by Loudmouth, Tuesday, 18 April 2017 1:04:11 PM
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Joe,

And the loony treats them like toys for his amusement. Surely his very rough barber could make a slip and take him out?
Posted by ttbn, Tuesday, 18 April 2017 4:00:27 PM
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North Korea's aggressive military outreach beyond its borders has been met with appeasement for years leaving the world having to fear what it may be emboldened to do next.

What would happen if the artillery threat to Seoul were lifted by a couple of MOABs targeted without warning on the gun batteries aimed at Seoul?

What would happen if the next North Korean defiance of the Nuclear Non-proliferation Treaty were met with a MOAB on the test site and another on its nuclear infrastructure?

Something additional that would be very gratifying would be a fragmentation bomb attack on one of those parades of arrogant uniformed goose-stepping scum in Pyongyang or wherever.

All remembering that the USA has the hardware to reduce the whole of North Korea to a crust of glowing glass if that ridiculous "country" dares to make a nuclear attack on anyone whatsoever.
Posted by EmperorJulian, Tuesday, 18 April 2017 4:05:28 PM
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Kim is a maniac. I think all that artillery aimed at soul should be given a chance. I can not believe everybody in North Korea are as stupid as Kim. What if they began firing in the direction of Kim.

Soul is a non military target, not even a maniac would do that. That is surely one way of sealing your fate and fast.
Posted by doog, Tuesday, 18 April 2017 5:28:00 PM
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Hi EJ,

You mean, to send a few huge cargo planes limbering over North Korean territory and drop, say, half a dozen MOABs on some of the artillery along the 500-mile border ? Ever tried to shove a stick in an ants' nest ?

Joe
Posted by Loudmouth, Tuesday, 18 April 2017 6:44:47 PM
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North Korea's response to any military action on the part of the USA is to unleash an action to destroy S.Korea. They have the capability to unload ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND heavy artilliary rounds at the ready. The only logical action on the part of the US is to launch a neuclear attack that will obliterate most of N.Korea simultaneously. This will take approximately 15 minutes from launch of ICBMs from CONUS.
Posted by simplesimon, Tuesday, 18 April 2017 7:13:52 PM
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Few countries will have been as closely watched from above as North Korea. The position of every artillery battery will be well known and be reachable in a few minutes, no need to traverse the border looking for them. Likewise other strategic targets like those involved in the manufacture of nukes. These facilities can't be carried hither and thither by truck. It seems the Yanks had enough intel on them to thwart the latest bid to unleash a missile. This will be what Trump means by shutting North Korea down with or without Chinese help.
Posted by EmperorJulian, Tuesday, 18 April 2017 7:27:30 PM
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Shutting North Korea down doesn't doesn't require initiating nuclear war so close to China unless the North Koreans are seen to do it first.
The alternative is to continue with fear of what decades of appeasement will embolden the North Koreans to take the initiative and do next.

By the same token no attempt to find and kill their supreme leader would work. It would trigger an attack in which the bad guys would have the initiative, probably massive bombardment of Seoul if the artillery wasn't taken out first.

Bribing China with trade deals would sell out the Rust Belt citizens who elected Trump to stop exporting their jobs to slave countries like China. This would shorten Trump's presidency.
Posted by EmperorJulian, Tuesday, 18 April 2017 7:46:25 PM
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Have a cup of tea and a lie down chaps.

The little fat fool will go that one step too far and his barber, or someone close to him will take him out.

Without a doubt the Chinese view Fat Boy Kim as a useful tool to give it to the West and when they decide that he is past his "useful by" date then the aforementioned "Close" friend will knock him.

They should concentrate on making fun of him especially with cartoons beamed over the border.
Posted by JBowyer, Tuesday, 18 April 2017 10:06:49 PM
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North Korea has never attacked anyone (even the Korean War was provoked by South Korean attacks on the North).

North Korea is a responder, reacting in defence of itself. Whereas the US can't go a day without attacking something just to prove how important it is.
Posted by Killarney, Wednesday, 19 April 2017 1:58:18 AM
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Dear Killarney,

«North Korea has never attacked anyone»

Apart from kidnapping Japanese people - but what about its own people?
Posted by Yuyutsu, Wednesday, 19 April 2017 3:23:34 AM
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A unified Korea is the ideal end game for the U.S. , whatever it takes!
Posted by diver dan, Wednesday, 19 April 2017 8:22:07 AM
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Stage two: control of the South China Sea ...perfect outcome!
Posted by diver dan, Wednesday, 19 April 2017 8:25:01 AM
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A nuclear bomb or device could be sent by shipping container to almost any port in the world and destroy an entire harbour perhaps permanently.
To say nothing about immediate and residual radiation and fallout.

Wake up.

Put down the guns and bombs and threats and BS and instead work toward prosperity and peace worldwide.
Posted by JF Aus, Wednesday, 19 April 2017 10:01:48 AM
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Hi JF,

Yes, that region is so crowded, that any war or large-scale military action is bound to spill over, to China and to Japan. Any pre-emptive action, so-called, is bound to provoke a larger counter-action, and away we go.

As Churchill said, it's better to jaw-jaw than war-war. Are there any carrots that could be offered, rather than sticks ? Without lurching into appeasement, would it be possible for China and other regional countries to develop, let's say, economic projects, perhaps involving US firms too, in North Korean border areas, Economic Zones,to deflect North Korean belligerence ?

They would certainly be difficult to initiate, and subject to all manner of North Korean elite corruption and bribery. As well, any US involvement might go against Trump's populist promises to bring back jobs to the US.

But breaking promises is becoming one of his trademarks, after all: it's fascinating to observe how many of the policies that he condemned, are now being championed: isolationism ? Nah, interventionism. Get tough on China ? Nah, suck up. Suck up to Russia ? Nah, get tough. Keep out of the Middle East ? Nah, bomb the sh!t out of them. Who knows, at this rate, Trump might ban guns and double the environmental budget. Nah.

You have to ask yourself: what would Batman do ?

Joe
Posted by Loudmouth, Wednesday, 19 April 2017 10:25:05 AM
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Killarney,

Do you believe that the earth is flat? The statement that the South Koreans started the war is just as ludicrous.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Wednesday, 19 April 2017 2:26:17 PM
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Ludicrous, Shadow Minister? I wouldn't bet on it. For months the South Korean dictator Syngman Rhee had been thundering on the air waves that he would unite Korea by force. The night the war broke out I happened, as a journo on the Melbourne Sun, to be watching the teletype news feed and caught the outbreak, billed as a surprise attack by the North across the border. Problem was the same teletype reported the first fighting to be in a village (forget its name) 2 1/2 miles north of the border, followed by a rapid advance of the North Koreans almost to Pusan as South Korean soldiers deserted in droves. By the way, Australian soldiers of the Occupation forces in Japan were flown to Pusan and assigned to barracks there hours before the supposed sudden attack across the border by the northerners.

There's a quite good summary of the Korean war and its context at http://www.history.com/topics/korean-war though it is weak on the fine detail. One must remember that the menacing, goose-stepping North Korea and the democratic South Korea of today hadn't been born at that time.
Posted by EmperorJulian, Wednesday, 19 April 2017 5:46:45 PM
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EJ

I think the North Korean village you refer to is Haeju. The attack from South Korean forces happened on the same day as the official date of the 'North Korean invasion' of the US-backed South.

I don't have much time at the moment to write at length (much as I'd like to), so to save time, I'll quote from William Blum's 'Killing Hope', on post-WWII US interventions, which gives more context for the events leading to the North's invasion:

'The two sides had been clashing across the Parallel for several years. What happened on that fateful day in June could thus be regarded as no more than the escalation of an ongoing civil war. The North Korean Government has claimed that in 1949 alone, the South Korean army or police perpetrated 2,617 armed incursions into the North to carry out murder, kidnapping, pillage and arson for the purpose of causing social disorder and unrest, as well as to increase the combat capabilities of the invaders.

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The head of South Korea, Syngman Rhee, had often expressed his desire and readiness to compel the unification of Korea by force. On 26 June the New York Times reminded its readers that "on a number of occasions, Dr Rhee has indicated that his army would have taken the offensive if Washington had given the consent". The newspaper noted also that before the war began: "The warlike talk strangely [had] almost all come from South Korean leaders".'

Rhee's UK-backed virtual dictatorship (made up of various US-appointed former Japanese collaborators) comprised the usual array of death squads and terror-cleansing of leftists, communists and other dissidents totalling (by some accounts) well into the 6 figures.

There are two sides to every story.
Posted by Killarney, Wednesday, 19 April 2017 11:09:33 PM
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Correction: In my last paragraph, that should have been 'US-backed' (although my typo was not all that wide of the mark).
Posted by Killarney, Wednesday, 19 April 2017 11:13:34 PM
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EJ, K,

Haeju is a city roughly 50km as the crow flies from the 38th parallel that would require a river crossing and there is no evidence that any South Korean attack preceded the North Korean attack. In the fog of war false news reports are common, and a conspiracy theory around this is fanciful at best.

The surprise massed attack by North Korea is well documented, as is the collusion by China and Russia. If you want to post BS, expect to be challenged.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Thursday, 20 April 2017 8:34:55 AM
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It wasn't Haiju, it was a village just north of the border.

The war in Korea was an extension of a war inside the USA with those seeking peaceful postwar reconstruction, like Dean Acheson, ranged against those (like General Macarthur and Joseph McCarthy) seeking World War III against our wartime allies. The warmongers of those days are today's Neocons and their global metastases.

Before mouthing off about "challenging BS" one should read analyses like the one at http://www.history.com/topics/korean-war which are not part of the internal war continuing in the USA which followed the hot war between Nazi Germany and the countries that it invaded.

It is very instructive to visit Churchill's preserved bunker in London and hear the wire recording between Mr Churchill and Mr Truman in which Mr Churchill referred to traitors in his Cabinet who were calling for a separate peace with Germany and Mr Truman exploded with rage. If visiting London don't miss it.
Posted by EmperorJulian, Thursday, 20 April 2017 1:32:07 PM
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EJ,

The description of the Korean war at history.com is piss poor. It neglects to mention that the UN forces quickly pushed the North Koreans to Yalu river bordering China, and it was only the entry of China and Russia into the war that led to an eventual stalemate.

Similarly there is no evidence of an early invasion of the North by the South, and supposedly as journalist you should be able to sort out the truth from the propaganda, from your conspiracy fantasies I have doubts.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Thursday, 20 April 2017 2:05:20 PM
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Sequence:
War broke out at the border. If there is any published evidence (not mere assertions) that there was an initiating invasion from the north it would be worth publishing.
The South Korean forces deserted and fled.
Within days all South Korea had was a small area around Pusan.
General Macarthur entered South Korea at Inchon and advanced rapidly north.
He pushed towards the Yalu River and declared an intention of invading China and Russia. Chinese troops flooded in and pushed southwards, soon in control of much north Korean territory.
Truman sacked Macarthur.
Macarthur got titkertape welcome in America and challenged Truman. This welcome was based on his successes in the Pacific war against the Japs, not on his ambition to take the Korea war into China and Russia, as the next event showed.
Macarthur booked Carnegie Hall to launch his campaign to overthrow Truman. About 30 people turned up. Fzzzzz.
Posted by EmperorJulian, Thursday, 20 April 2017 3:45:13 PM
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The BS and spin intensifies right in front of us.
The Trump armada is not going toward North Korea at all.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-04-18/china-has-to-take-action-against-north-korea-turnbull-says/8451512
Posted by JF Aus, Thursday, 20 April 2017 9:13:24 PM
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You just keep believing in conspiracy and media hyp won,t you. When you Se with your own eyes then you can start conspiracy and B S stories ond outcomes.

Any who gets in front of a story written by media is a conspiracist. Let the real news prevail.
Posted by doog, Thursday, 20 April 2017 10:39:19 PM
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Doog,
Who are you talking to and what conspiracy are you talking about?
Posted by JF Aus, Friday, 21 April 2017 3:13:24 AM
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EJ,

Take off your conspiracy tin hat. There is tonnes of evidence that North Korea invaded South Korea with roughly 75 000 troops and tanks, (not something done without considerable planning and preparation), secondly the planning and communication between Mao and Stalin for the invasion is also documented. What is lacking is any indication that the South initiated the conflict.

So far China has been quite happy to sit back and do nothing while NK arms itself with Nukes. When the US suggested that it install the THAD long range missile defense system in SK then we heard a lot of protest from China, as it would not only shoot down NK's missiles, but extend missile protection against China's systems nearby, and radar detection well within China. However, China still did nothing, and the US began installing the THAD system.

Suddenly China woke up, but its response has only been the token turning back of a few NK coal ships, but no curtailment of oil or other supplies to NK.

The next step if NK develops capable missiles would be to install nuclear tipped cruise missile in SK.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Friday, 21 April 2017 9:56:00 AM
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Loudmouth, Joe,

On page 3 of this thread you question if it would be possible for China and other countries to develop economic projects involving the USA.
I think it would be possible, what's more there is evidence of substance indicating how it could be done, while at the same time stimulating national economies.
Are you interested and could you possibly open a door to get to a table to discuss relevant possibilities?
Posted by JF Aus, Friday, 21 April 2017 6:49:58 PM
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